WELL, THE TRUTH GETS OUT: Majority see FBI as Biden’s ‘personal Gestapo’ after Trump raid.

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    No, the laptop that was turned over to the FBI long before Rudy got a copy of the hard drive
     
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    I wouldn't argue Trump made some crappy appointment decisions and some extremely crappy ones. There were a few very good ones too - but no doubt some bad ones.
     
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    That's a sad attempt to make an excuse for pushing something that you knew to be false because you have been corrected on it several times before then.
     
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    Yup - Trump will pick the next Omorosa, or The Mooch, to be the new FBI Director ... Erik maybe? Just count how many last Chief of Staff for
    Trump have said that Trump was unfit for office and should not run again.

    This isn't one or two disgruntled employees, dude - this is a constant parade of past Cabinet Members and White House Staff (Republicans) who
    have stated that Trump was the wrong guy for the job. How can people just dismiss that as if it was nothing?
     
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    Gotta love the "Law and order is the same thing as Nazism" cult.
     
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    I am sure that most FBI Special Agents support "Law and Order", but the fish rots from the head.
    The FBI has been rotting from the head since birth.

    “In addition, intelligence routinely resorts to lying, deception, plausible denial, and related arts to escape detection, or, on higher levels, responsibility. Hoover's right-hand man, Cartha DeLoach, thus falsely assured Attorney General Nicholas de B. Katzenbach that the bureau tapes of Martin Luther King, wiretaps which he had offered to play for a Newsweek reporter, were made by a Georgia police unit and not by the FBI. Director Hoover frustrated Attorney General Francis Biddle’s order in 1943 to terminate a detention list merely by changing its name. Richard Helms lied to a Senate committee about CIA involvement in the “de-stabilizing” the Allende regime in Chile as well as its role in attacking domestic dissidents. Director Hoover regularly understated in Congressional testimony the number of electronic surveillances maintained during the previous year by excluding figures relating to microphone surveillances and by shutting down some of the wiretap installations on the eve of his testimony, only to resume them later."
    THE AGE OF SURVEILLANCE, The Aims and Methods of America's Political intelligence System, Frank J. Donner, Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York, 1980, p. 24,25.

    The FBI has become an American Gestapo with far more funding and fewer actual cops.
     
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    Like an iceberg.... what you see on top and not what lays below... only from the internet is the corruption just now being seen... just think of what we don't know that they have pulled off in our past history...... this is not the FBI's first rodeo.
     
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    the FBI is run by a Trump appointee
     
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    You say that is though it's supposed to mean anything like anyone he appointed is supposed to retain loyalty.

    Yet in the next breath you people turn around and tell us about all these horrible people that he appointed the jumped ship.

    Try to make up your mind will you?
     
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    hard to say the FBI is out to get Trump when it's a Trump loyalty pick that is running it

    in the next breath, you people will say Trump picks the best people

    Try to make up your mind will you?
     
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    Do you think 53% of likely voters are 'criminals'? Because that's what you've inferred...
     
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    Another reason Trump supporters frequently boo him at his rallies.
    Trump makes horrific obvious mistakes.
     
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    That was a very interesting poll because it showed that most Americans favor investigating Donald Trump while simultaneously saying that most Americans feel the FBI is indeed Biden's personal Gestapo. Didn't make sense.
     
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    There are some folks who have been pretty open and transparent about engaging in the legal system to learn how to really be a criminal.
     
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    For some reason the CIA really hates Trump.... Really... If anyone hasn't seen it, there have been a couple of articles about how Pete the Stroke wasn't actually an FBI employee, which is why we haven't seen him attempt to get his pension back... Turns out, likely answer, is that, as several newly declassified documents exhibit, that the Stroke is actually CIA.
     
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    That would simply confirm that the FBI, the entire time, knew that Carter Page was a CIA asset, not a KGB asset. I'm amazed at how casually these folks will commit felonies and how fearlessly they do it.

    Yet, Trump seems to scare the hell out of them. That I don't get. I think DeSantis is far more dangerous to them.
     
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    I wondered about that too. Obviously the positions are not mutually exclusive. And I think it's also important to keep in mind that Trump's manner, which he has complete control over, brings some of this on.
     
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    Members of the deep state come in both Democrat and Republican form. Yes, Comey, Mccabe and Wray were all terrible picks. May have to go outside of the FBI to avoid the rot for the next selection of who heads the FBI.
     
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    ALL THE INSTITUTIONS HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED: WSJ: The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis: A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid.

    "The warrant authorized the FBI to seize “all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§793, 2071, or 1519” (emphasis added). These three criminal statutes all address the possession and handling of materials that contain national-security information, public records or material relevant to an investigation or other matters properly before a federal agency or the courts."

    'The materials to be seized included “any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021”—i.e., during Mr. Trump’s term of office. Virtually all the materials at Mar-a-Lago are likely to fall within this category. Federal law gives Mr. Trump a right of access to them. His possession of them is entirely consistent with that right, and therefore lawful, regardless of the statutes the FBI cite in its warrant."

    "Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump’s documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978. It has long been the Supreme Court position, as stated in Morton v. Mancari (1974), that “where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment.” The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites."

    "Nothing in the PRA suggests that the former president’s physical custody of his records can be considered unlawful under the statutes on which the Mar-a-Lago warrant is based. Yet the statute’s text makes clear that Congress considered how certain criminal-law provisions would interact with the PRA: It provides that the archivist is not to make materials available to the former president’s designated representative “if that individual has been convicted of a crime relating to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records of the Archives.”'

    "Nothing is said about the former president himself, but applying these general criminal statutes to him based on his mere possession of records would vitiate the entire carefully balanced PRA statutory scheme. Thus if the Justice Department’s sole complaint is that Mr. Trump had in his possession presidential records he took with him from the White House, he should be in the clear, even if some of those records are classified."

    "In making a former president’s records available to him, the PRA doesn’t distinguish between materials that are and aren’t classified. That was a deliberate choice by Congress."

    "So much for all the “rule of law” talk justifying this lawless raid by a lawless agency."

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    Unjustified raid on their boss' chief political opponent. This mind-crippled increasingly desperate WH has gone full 3rd world crap hole military Junta.
     
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    seems to be anyone that dares to look behind the curtain at the Orange Stain is considered evil by some
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Who labeled anyone evil? If there was a coherent thought expressed in your post, I missed it.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you must of missed it, as the right been going after anyone that doesn't worship the Orange Stain
     
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    Well, you quoted MY post saying Comey, Mccabe and Wray were terrible picks for the FBI, not "the right". They have demonstrated themselves to be so. Theyve been looking "behind the curtain" of Trump since his announcement of running for President. Alpha Bank, the Russian Dossier, used to get illegitimate FISA warrants. And since that didnt work for the FBI, they sat on Hunters laptop while congress impeached Trump for Ukraine. The laptop that confirms Hunter made millions lobbying for Burisma to get the prosecutor investigating Burisma fired, And Biden threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they did fire the prosecutor investigating the company Hunter served on the board.
    And now we are hearing Biden who says he knew nothing of the FBI's search of Marlago, when he was the one who set in motion the dispute over the documents Trump held back in April by approving the denial of any claim of executive privilege by Trump regarding any document the BI would be interested in.
    I would be just as critical of the FBI regardless of who was their target. Phoney manufactured crimes created by the fbi are always bad. EVEN when its done to serial criminals deserving of justice done properly.
     
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    Comey helped Trump win, not sure what you are talking about

    the Orange Stain brought all this on himself
     
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    Never Trumper not so sure now.

    In a column in the Fake News New York Times, Lowry wrote, "The Russia investigation was a national fiasco that brought discredit on the F.B.I. and everyone who participated in it. The probe prominently featured a transparently ridiculous dossier generated by the Clinton campaign, eventually spinning into a special-counsel investigation that became, to some significant extent, about itself and whether Mr. Trump was guilty of obstruction. People who should have known better got caught up in the feeding frenzy and speculated that 'the walls were closing in' on Mr. Trump, or that he might have been a Russian asset going back decades."

    This idiot took years to catch up with the painfully obvious.

    "It all came to naught with almost no one expressing any regret about the unnecessary, yearslong psychodrama. It would be better if more people acknowledged — life being complicated — that even someone you hate and fear can be treated unfairly.'

    Gee, thanks a-wipe, but you are years too late.

    "That experience guarantees that no Republican is going to take assurances about the Mar-a-Lago search, or any other Trump investigation, at face value.'

    He seems to think this is a brilliant insight or something.

    "Pointing to similar conduct over the years by Mr. Trump’s adversaries needn’t be an exercise in explaining away Mr. Trump’s excesses and lapses, but it can be useful as a means of establishing a baseline for how political parties naturally react in such circumstances, and a caution against heedlessly causing a political conflagration with unpredictable and possibly dire consequences."

    Uhhh, the conflagration was lit by the you folks, and yes, it's lit.

    "After 20 false accusations, investigations and impeachments, it has finally dawned on Lowry that maybe the deep state -- the intelligence community -- has nothing on the guy.'

    "Hillary spent millions of dollars researching the guy and" came up empty.

    "No one in American history has been so thoroughly investigated without any indictment than Trump."

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