Mystery leaks (sabotage) hit Russian (Nordstream 1 and 2) undersea gas pipelines to Europe

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  1. ToughTalk

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    And now we are also providing assistance.
     
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    Well...upshot of all this is was that the lines were sabotaged by the Russians as a furtherance of their amazingly warped ideas on economic extortion regarding European energy resilience. The remaining pressurised gas within the line is leaking and will soon stop once its all finally flooded and should they ever eventually be needed again they need repairing. In the meantime the insurance companies will have been advised by any valid policyholders under their War / Contingency / Contract Frustration etc. policies who will conduct their normal claim adjustment process.
     
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    “Always brilliant Jeff Childers of C & C News”? He is talking about a subject he doesn’t know!

    IT CAN BE a private sector – what you need is equipment which can be purchased on a free market. It can be a private person/persons who could make millions purchasing options of the gas.

    Please ask brilliant Jeff Childers of C & C News to read this info:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_diving
    Atmospheric diving suit costs about few hundred thousands dollars, explosive cost almost nothing and people who bet of gas prices made millions!
     
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    Posted this to another partisano .. but works as a response to your blissful blather - triggerd by the R word.
    My thoughts exactly Doesn't make any sense for Russia to want to escalate .. that does not benefit them.

    The US does not seem to benefit either - at least not on the surface .. we can make some MIC arguments -- war is good for business but wait a minute .. at what expense .. folks are not getting the Gravity of what has happened here... This was a Nation State did this .. and there will be payback .. When is the last time Russia called an emergency Security council meeting - have a discussion of whether or not we just abandon any kind of rule book and start jacking each others Assets .. .. Russia can blow up US pipelines too .. cut communications cables ..

    Can you not imagine all kinds of fun stuff that not only Russia .. but China or North Korea .. or Pakistan.. India can do... once we open this pandora's box.

    This was a major act of war .. akin to attacking Russia Primary -- "da homeland" .. and it was a Nation State .. and there are not that many options ... Either the West was involved or they were not .. So US/EU -- Poland being a separate possibility .. Ukraine - obviously ..

    Who else ? --- can't think of any -- so only 3 realistic possibilities .. . would act outside of US/EU .. possible that US would act unilaterally . or this was a big false flag by Russia -- but why would Russia wish to escalate ? there has to be a point .. the only one I can think of is that Putin wants to start this kind of tit for tat war .. wants to start hitting US /EU assets - thinking by escalation it may be a way to end the war or stop NATO from further arming Ukraine.

    Seems unlikely but will be enough for the Blissful Partisans to cling tight.
     
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    True, this is a major act of war by Russia trying to sabotage gas lines then lying about it affecting the rest of the planet.
     
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    Holy clue-less loop te do less. It is not an act of war if Russia did it .. and lying about it would not make any difference either way.
    Completely lost gibberish looking for a home.
     
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    No other country has a motive to cause this. Russian ships were seen in the area.
     
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    That's not true. The United States openly stated one way or the other that pipeline stops.

    Having said that, I do not know who blew it up. As both sides seem to have a motive for it's disruption right now. However...my gut tells me that Putin would have preferred the pipelines functional with their bullshit "matainence" excuse to be easily recinded should Europe take the knee.

    Just be grateful the pipeline is dead and the midget lost his control and leverage
     
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    The Russians sabotaged their pipeline both to insult the Euros and to distract attention from their impending spectacular defeat in east Ukraine.
    I'm sorry you believe the US is "a declining, weak power running on fumes." I do not accept that for a second.
     
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    Exactly, false flag op for pure propaganda purposes. It's a despot thing like the sham voting this week. The purpose is to claim the right to use nukes or to amp up the nuke threat to the motherland/fatherland.
     
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    The Russians sabotaged their pipeline both to insult the Euros and to distract attention from their impending spectacular defeat in east Ukraine.
     
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    You..."think"?

    I think the sky's falling in....doesn't make it so....timester.
     
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    What "74 yr relationship" timey?....this is a ridiculous claim of yours?

    It's only been since about 93 where there started to be any "relationship" and Partners of Pecace.
     
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    Nice bit of breakdown.
     
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    If any Russian dipshit bot is thinking that winter is going to force Europe to bend the knee...

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    Nope. They've filled their storages up. They will get through this winter. Back to the drawing board for the midget.
     
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    You don't know your own government at all. Our government is an expert practitioner of false flags. It's how they roll.
     
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    Russian Sabotage Of The Nord Stream Pipeline Marks A Point Of No Return

    ". . . One may be tempted to ask why would the Russians bother with sabotage and denial? After all, hostility towards Ukraine and Europe is neither novel nor secret. The shutoff of gas from sabotage does not fundamentally change Russia’s stated aims or enacted strategy. The answer lies in the strength of Western financial institutions, Russia’s lack of leverage or soft power, and the devastating impacts sanctions are having against Russia. If Nord Stream is shut down suddenly through “force majeure”, a sudden uncontrollable stop that is the fault of neither party, then Russia can void its obligations towards European stakeholders without legally breaking contracts, thus dodging the many penalties in doing so.

    The other great reason Putin is expending so much effort in pursuit of such a transparent strategy lies in his domestic vulnerability. By ending all possible routes for gas delivery resumption with the West and making rapprochement more difficult, Russian oligarchs who have not yet fallen out of a window, but may still be wavering in their dedication to Putin, have no choice to acquiesce to his leadership. . . . "
     
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    It's more likely Germany was getting too close to Russia and was becoming a threat to the US's presence in Europe through NATO. Washington's think tank Rand Corporation predicted the US should instigate a war between Russia and Ukraine putting tension between Germany and Russia which we are seeing now. The attack on the pipelines benefits the US more than anyone, permanently severing Germany's ties to Russia. The US's stronghold on Europe is secured. Keeping Germany weak and dependent on the US is the goal. Germany was becoming to big a threat to NATO's continued existence as they grew closer to Russia.
     
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    The reality is that Russia doesn't see parts of Germany as German but as Russian. So that's a relationship that is a dead end.

    Russia needs to re evlatuate how it sees the world because the "everyone is actually Russian" nonsense is going to isolate that nation for decades to come.
     
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    Germany is not getting close to Putler. The only party with a motive to blow up the pipeline is Putler.
     
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    The walls are closing in on the Pootster.

    upload_2022-9-29_11-6-46.png The Washington Post
    Opinion | Russia is the most likely culprit of Nord Stream pipeline sabotage

    ". . . The assumption among European officials is that Russia is responsible, and that makes sense. No other nation would have both the motive and the means for an attack. The means are easy: Moscow could have sent an undersea drone, as reported by the Times of London, or a submarine with Naval Spetsnaz (special forces) frogmen to plant the charges. The motive is more speculative, because it would seem counterproductive for Russia to sabotage its own pipeline.

    But Russia has a long history of using gas interruptions as a geopolitical tool. Indeed, the Kremlin had already announced in early September that the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would be closed indefinitely for repairs, in a move that was widely interpreted as an attempt to ratchet up the pressure on Europe to stop supporting Ukraine. (The Nord Stream 2 pipeline, completed last year, has not opened — and likely never will.)

    Mark Galeotti, a British expert on Russian criminal and security affairs (subjects that are closely intertwined), argues in the Spectator that the pipeline attack was a warning shot from Putin: If the Russians could sabotage Nord Stream 1 and 2, they could do the same to the new Baltic Pipe carrying Norwegian natural gas from the North Sea to Poland or to the many underwater internet pipelines upon which the United States and Europe so heavily depend. Other Russia analysts, including Dmitri Alperovitch, agree that the Kremlin is the culprit. . . . "
     
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    The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model
    https://www.rand.org › pubs › perspectives


    We characterize the contemporary Russian model for propaganda as “the firehose of falsehood” because of two of its distinctive features: high numbers of ..
     
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    USA. They can now sell more gas to EU at higher price. The explosion only feasibly benefits USA/Ukraine
     
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    Sorry, didn't mean to copy you with my little comment
     

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