The coming indictment of Donald Trump will break his power: former Obama lawyer

Apparently, quite a lot of people disagreed with you including myself. How a president behaves, acts is important. He should act like a jackass. I consider that there are two types of voters. 1. Those who only vote the letter behind the name. It doesn’t matter who the candidate/s are, just the letter. Atilla the Hun may be the candidate, those who are members of the party Atilla belonged to will vote for him. This takes care of both party’s base. Neither party cares who their candidates are, good, bad or indifferent. They’ll vote for him, vote for the letter, not the candidate/s.


Then there are those who don’t give an owl’s hoot about the letter behind the name. They vote the candidate/s. They’ll vote for the candidate/s they like the best or in a lot of instances, vote for the candidate they wanted to lose the least. Not win, but lose the least. This latter group who voted against a candidate, who the other candidate was, was totally irrelevant. This group didn’t care who won, as long as it wasn’t the candidate they were voting against. Biden beat Trump among this group of anti-voters 68-30. Actually, Trump won those who were voting for a candidate, not against one 53-46 over Biden. But Trump couldn’t overcome by a long shot, those voters who was voting against him, but not for Biden, he just happened to be the other candidate. As long as around 60% of the electorate dislike Trump, he can’t win. Those 60% will either be voting for the other candidate or against Trump not caring who the other candidate is or was.


https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

 

He did give the R's a very lousy midterm.
trump is an asset for the dems, I agree. But the dems are making him irrelevant, are they not? The reason for the lousy midterms.
My point was let him stay somewhat relevant so it will help them, not that I'm a fan of the dems, just not at all in like of the R party at the moment due to loyalty to the most unAmerican president in history.
I would prefer the R party, on their own, disown the dishonest fake leader.

I agree, trump will not win nationally ever again.

 

Exactly, I am independent and could never vote R during trumps reign.
Any entity, sports team, work team, company, etc, will take on the characteristics of the leader. And we as a nation became totally beligerent towards our fellow Americans.
Had trump used a common enemy, covid-19, to rally Americans to fight the pandemic instead of making the country even more divided, he might have actually won.

 

I don't care about the letter behind the name at all. I don't care about polls. All I want from a President is someone that will keep my family safe and allow us to prosper. That's all.

That means keeping us free. That means keeping the economy on track so that hamburger doesn't cost $20 or a gallon of gas doesn't cost $8. That means that my family and I can speak our minds and not lose our jobs. That means that our President will have us treated like everyone else in the country equally.

If my President does THAT... I really don't care about obnoxious tweets or facebook entries... they don't effect me. I only care about what actually effects me and my family.

I don't care about polls. I care about what happens at my gas station, my supermarket, my kids' schools, my bank and so forth. The rest is immaterial.

 

I think we pretty agree but say it differently.

 

I don’t think so. Not as long as Trump continued his own obnoxious, rude, uncouth self. In 2016 that was fresh, yet many voters still didn’t like the way Trump behaved with his childish antics and schoolyard bullying tactics. I think if the Democrats ran anyone else other than Hillary Clinton, they would have won. As it was it was a fluke election as Hillary won the popular vote yet lost in the electoral college. A few thousand votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan made all the difference. By 2018 independents had tired of Trump. They voted 54-42 for Democratic congressional candidates and in 2020 voted 54-41 for Biden. They just wanted him gone. Who replaced him probably didn't matter much.

 

That's what I was thinking.
You probably used better words than I did.

 

The thing is that a majority of Americans have to feel the same way you do. They didn’t. A majority thought that upholding the dignity of the office of the presidency was important. That Trump degraded that office. The rest is history as they say.

 

Of course he would have had to stop his own obnoxious, rude, uncouth self and act as a real leader.
He could not, did not, and lost as an incumbent.
Because of his traits and total lack of leadership.

Covid was the opportunity to show if he had leadership skills. He failed.

 

Where you said it in one paragraph, I wrote a book.

 

I'd rather be somewhat offended by a President's tweets than pay $8 for gas... I'd rather be astonished at an inappropriate statement by my President than have 100,000 Americans die from fentanyl due to an open border... I'd rather sleep well at night than worry about enemies talking about using nuclear weapons.

 

Trump did great with COVID. He got the vax approved in record time. He dispatched assets like hospital ships and military ground hospitals. (NOTE: More folks died from COVID under Biden than under Trump... so if Trump did a bad job... Biden did a REALLY bad job.)

 

I said showed leadership skills, on that he failed miserably.
The country became more divided under his term over covid. Good leaders rally the troops around a common enemy.

 

I'm not sure that anyone but a radical, left wing, woke extremist could manage to keep radical, left wing, woke extremists as part of the "American team".

 

Well we could try and use disinfectant to treat covid.
You mentioned how fast a vaccine came into being, it wasn't libs crying about getting the vaccines.

 

I didn't hear anyone "crying" to get vaccines. I just saw trump getting it through approval wickets at the FDA in record time. COVID is a dead issue here. Over. Done. Left the building. Our businesses are open and thriving. Our kids will be doctors and astronauts while blue state kids will still be sitting on the couch in their pajamas in front of a laptop... trying to read.

 

You show a shocking lack of logic. More people died under Biden because the pandemic had spread like wildfire under trump. When trump left the damage was already done. And trump did rush the approvals and then did nothing. It took a real leader like Biden to get the shots in arms and actually change the direction of the curve, and finally start the climb out.

The ultimate proof of who was right is in the numbers. Far more Republicans died from Covid than Democrats. And that is because of their fearless leader who wanted to try injecting people with disinfectant [this is by far the dumbest thing any president has ever said]

 

Biden got a shot in his own arm while Trump was still in office. Biden was more into ice cream cones than syringes.
Can you provide some PROOF about your assertion that more Repubs died that Democrats. Sounds silly. Most people understood that the disinfectant thing was a joke, nothing more.

I'll be waiting for your proof.

 

Me neither. That's the opposite of what I posted.

 

In post #365 you wrote: "...it wasn't libs crying about getting the vaccines". So you did hear someone crying about it. I didn't.

Oh... and I'm still waiting for your proof that more Repubs died of the virus than Democrats. Please don't forget.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?forums/coronavirus-covid-19-news.120/
Lots of complaining about vax in the above subforum.

I have no clue what your 2nd sentence is pertaining to.
Perhaps you can link to a post?

 

So what's the latest news?
How many indictments does he have?

 

Indictments don't count... only convictions do. And Trump has never been convicted of anything, although the libs keep trying.

 

For the last 6 years they've been breathlessly promising us that it's going to happen any day now....