Funding dropped for 87,000 IRS agents.

Who said they were to be armed? They were to collect the $600B which goes uncollected annually due to lack of resources.

As for armed IRS agents, - IRS does have a criminal investigation branch and their agents sometimes operate on the ground, and carry arms like any other law enforcement.

 

I voted for his dad in the 2008 election as a protest vote.

 

What strawman? They did hike spending 20% in 2017, and their current policies are moving in the same direction. What makes you think they are moving in some other direction?

I don't have to ask again. I got it the first time when you said tax collection is an overreach and "tyranny", and you are here to defend the House moving to protect tax cheats.

I voted for Ron because I agreed with his policies and because he stuck by his principles.

 

They don't. They never did, and they never will. This is a gross overreach by the greedy federal government. Democrats will have us believe they care about the projected deficits, but they couldn't care less. They want to keep that money rolling in for their pet special interest groups, is all. The minute it comes in, they will attempt to spend it. Armed goons are just a means to their end.

 

There you go again lying about my pov. You and the silly strawman. I hope you'll be happy together.

 

Did you, or did you not, call it "government overreach" and "tyranny"?

You did call it that. You are being dishonest accusing me if lying, because you did use those words to describe the efforts to collect the tax the cheaters are not paying and you ARE here defending the House efforts to make sure the money continues to be uncollected.

 

I did not. You called it that after you proceeded to eliminate context and mangle my pov. In the future, try for some needed intellectual honesty, and less of the strawman fail. You can't declare a win for a loss. Context will slap you in the face every time!

Here's my post reposted below. Read it or review it, but you do not get to mangle my words without my permission without getting called to the carpet by me. Your response to every one of my points below is a blatant dishonest strawman fail. Do better.

Trixare4kids said: ↑
It appears you don't understand what conservatives think is a gross example of government overreach.
If the leftist controlled senate were to have the chance to keep and enact this type of tyranny.
There are better things to do with 80 billion of the taxpayers' dollars than hire MORE IRS agents.
We don't want to TAX more Americans.
The government should be in the business of helping hard working Americans to KEEP more of their income.
This is how Constitutional Conservatives think.

 

~ Do I win the candy cigar ... ?

~ That's what the police say after giving you a traffic citation ...

 

Stop pretending you did not mangle the context of my post reposted below. It's reposted for the entire forum to see in Post 138 in my reply to you.

Time to own up to what you did. You came just short of calling me an anarchist instead of recognizing the honesty in my words. You said I am okay with tax cheats. I am not.

I am a Constitutional conservative and so now you know what you can do with your cheap strawman fails. You will not speak for me, mangle my pov so you can call it a win. You will not say this to me without a very strong rebuttal coming your way. Takes a lot of gall accusing others of wanting to protecting tax cheats. Do insult me with this type of rhetoric:
Pro_Line_FL said: ↑
"you are here to defend the House moving to protect tax cheats"

Trixare4kids said: ↑
It appears you don't understand what conservatives think is a gross example of government overreach.
If the leftist controlled senate were to have the chance to keep and enact this type of tyranny.
There are better things to do with 80 billion of the taxpayers' dollars than hire MORE IRS agents.
We don't want to TAX more Americans.
The government should be in the business of helping hard working Americans to KEEP more of their income.
This is how Constitutional Conservatives think.

 

Do you have a source showing Republicans pushing to limit the new agents to higher returns in exchange for an affirmative vote and Democrats voting against that single provision?

 

Economists actually believe it is all three but if it is only a spending problem I would believe it would be beneficial to shift tax audits to most benefiting from the enormous tax code and away from poor and middle class citizens that are barely able to make it

 

The same could be said of the Democrats who bemoan 'rich' people taking so many deductions, and consider them evil people for using the loopholes in the tax code. Fix (or eliminate) the existing tax code. Not only is it ambiguous in places, but has more holes than swiss cheese.

We could go for pages just based on what method would actually be equitable, but bottom line is, no congressweasel wants to fix the taxing system because it would 'hurt' them.

 

True..
They want to defund and disarm the police, but yet they want ARMED bean counters AND 87 THOUSAND MORE of them.

Want to carry a gun and show those tax cheats who's boss? Brandon has a job for you! Nazi goons needed!

 

Tax economists have said they believe this 80 billion spent over 10 years will bring in significantly more revenue than what it cost — some recent figure I have seen is close to $1T. If 80B spent on this agency can bring in ten times what it costs, from sources that owe the money but are dodging it — how is that not good policy?

 

I can give you this conservatives opinion. Collecting more money creates more government and we need less government. Adding revenue won't affect overspending. Government will overspend to an even greater extent. 87000 agents aren't required to audit the wealthy. They are required to audit the middle class. In general the wealthy have good accountants and lawyers and follow tax law. Most of the cheats are in the middle class. Just watch.

If you don't like the tax laws take it up with lawmakers, not taxpayers.

 

As long as the Democrats who are insistent on the need for the funding are willing to be audited first by armed IRS agents, I might be convinced that it's a good idea.

Democrats are the party of the wealthy, IRS data shows | Washington Examiner

 

How much and how long has folks like Al Sharpton owe? If they haven't gone after him yet what makes you think 87,000 more of them will?

 

So the goal is to not collect from the rich in order to not have more government spending and doing nothing for the middle class or the debt the nation has accumulated.

I don’t disagree that the entire tax code is an issue but it is quite frankly absurd that you believe the wealthy don’t cheat on their taxes.

 

They don't need to. It isn't worth the risk to them. They do take advantage of the tax laws, however.

 

Envy is behind the motivation by most of the Democrats' leftist echo chamber. Us against them mentality. They really hold utter contempt for those they call tax cheats, AKA the "rich". Methinks they got too much Bernie Sanders type brainwashing.

 

He’s wealthy — and uses charitable contribution laws to religious entities to further cheat.

Also there isn’t 87,000 more of them — the vast majority are retirements
https://time.com/6204928/irs-87000-agents-factcheck-biden/

Y’all should really try to find more sources instead of just regurgitating what the right wing echo sphere lies about.

 

Your opinion doesn’t match with reality
http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/GLRRZ2021.pdf

 

How is using charitable contribution laws cheating?

 

Now make that mesh up with you guys claim that it's going to rake in all this new money in uncollected taxes....