Get Woke, Go Broke: How Higher Ed’s Push for “Equity” is Backfiring, Hard.

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  1. Zorro

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    Get Woke, Go Broke: How Higher Ed’s Push for “Equity” is Backfiring, Hard.

    Will Woke Destroy Higher Education?

    After Hollywood produced a bunch of expensive woke films that no one watched the meme "Get Work, Go Broke" was formed.

    This is why the Woke push for Totalitarianism, when folks have Freedom they chose Liberty not Wokeness.

    Over the last generation a very high priced education has been the golden ticket for admission to 'the haute bourgeoisie.'

    Not delivering results in keeping with its great costs, that system is now staggering.

    Leftists love college indoctrination. The more years they can keep someone on campus the more consistently they will vote left. Therefore, those with brains view the following with alarm:

    "College enrollments are plummeting — nationwide undergraduate enrollment fell by 650,000 in a single year, spring 2021 to 2022. It’s down 14% in the past decade, even as the US population' increased by six and half percent.

    Woke employers are now asking applicants to leave off the name of their college so that they will not be guilty of conveying privilege to ivy league graduates, so why spend the extra money on Ivy League?

    And now many employers are being advised to forego degree requirements completely because the presence of a degree is less among the "underserved" and therefore they evaluate them only on their ability to perform the role, not their academic credentials. What a concept!

    So why rack up all that student debt? Why should parents squander their savings if employers are moving away from it?

    It reminds me of when Toys R Us filed for bankruptcy due to the decline in family formation after supporting Planned Parenthood for decades.

    Please discuss the importance of thinking through consequences.

    And despite the wokeness, would colleges be struggling if it were obvious that the costs of an education were worth it?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The costs of post secondary education has increased at a rate far beyond that of incomes and other goods and services — it has become detached from the actual value of the degrees provided unless one is seeking a specialized degree.

    Our local collage just built a new football stadium and renovated several buildings, the coach got a huge raise. I don’t see how any of that is “woke”.

    What is really interesting is younger generations would become more liberal when they were in college and now they are turning liberal before college. IMO that is why republicans have waged a war on education, they are worried about their membership.
     
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    I swear all of this on my mother's life.

    I was doing an engineering degree at a world top 100 university. They made us spend weeks rehearsing a play on the impact of income inequality on marginalised communities. In an engineering degree.

    We had to take mandatory indigenous sensitivity classes to pass.

    In a philosophy unit I took I found myself the only outlier on a regular basis, even on contentious issues within philosophy like consequentialism v deontology.

    Whether that's because everyone was to scared to question the tutor, or they all had a hive mind in favor of consequentialism, I'm not sure.

    I quietly gathered the respect of some of the lecturers and tutors as a result, other times I was publicly shamed for a reasonable difference of opinion.
     
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    Republicans are pro-Education
    Dead set against Indoctrination

    You are free to indoctrinate and we are free to refuse to fund it in public schools.
     
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    Republicans haven’t waged war on education, we still wasn’t reading, writing and math taught without the idea that math is racist, proper grammar is racist and reading extends beyond what can be squeezed into a Tweet. Don’t get me started on the gender and drag queen stuff. And all that is before a kid gets to college.
     
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    Y’all should ban some more books, implement policy to ban subjects you don’t like and have governors install hyper partisan hacks to redirect school systems that don’t give you the results you want.
     
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    I guess y’all prefer tearing down statues, re-naming schools, disregarding parents, withholding school funds unless Obama’s bathroom gender rules are followed, plus the left has also banned books and movies.
     
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    Oh the horror!:roll:
     
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    Tearing down statues didn’t occur at schools

    Renaming schools away from individuals that had slaves the same color as the students makes sense

    Obama was 6 years ago, I am speaking more to current events

    What books and movies did liberals ban from school?
     
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    There is nothing Liberal about suppressing free speech. There is nothing Liberal about Democrats denigrating people they consider Infidels because those outsiders don't ascribe to Democrat dogma. There is nothing Liberal about Democrats unleashing viscious attacks against those they consider Apostates, like Blacks who hold Conservative views.

    In fact, there is little daylight between Islamofascists and Democrats who consider themselves "Liberal".
     
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    What I get from your OP is what I have seen happening in the U.S. for the past few decades, Our education level continues to plummet.

    U.S. Education Rankings Are Falling Behind the Rest of the World

    Since the change of goals began in the Republican Party over 30 years ago, our education levels have dropped. The desire of the Republicans to go back to the Neanderthal ages has increased as Conservative have turned even more conservative. Knowledge, education and understanding is the worst thing to the Republicans that exists. It is the reason why Woke is such a threat to them as Woke means getting more knowledge and awareness of what is happening. The Republicans want stupidity and the Cult mentality to prevail as knowledge threatens their survive ability.

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    The party of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow, and Segregation the same geniuses who claim to be Liberal while opposing free speech, especially speech with which they disagree --- from infidels --- and more so when it comes from Blacks they consider apostates. Yes, these geniuses consider themselves "progressive" ,,, spawn of Woodrow Wilson who was best known as the first postbellum President to Segregate the Civil Service ,,, and resurrecting the KKK.

    Yes, these geniuses boast their Harvard educations without knowledge that it was their venerable institution that put Hitler on the map and their Party that served as the model for Nazi persecution of Jews.
     
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    Seeing that it is very difficult to differentiate between Islamic religious policy and the christofascists I rate your assertion as laughable.
     
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    Perhaps you can offer an example of Christians refusing to allow a self-described "Liberal" an opportunity to speak. We have all been witness to self-described "Liberals" refusing to allow Conservatives to speak on college campuses. I'm sure you have a treasure trove of examples.
     
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    The left will do this but never defend it. And if you question it they will call you names. "Liberalism is a mental disease".
     
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    if you don't like a movie, don't go see it, simple

    the reality is, most don't go to the theaters anymore, they wait for it to come to online services unless a good 3d one

    same happening with series, people wait for a few seasons to build up, then binge
     
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    "It reminds me of when Toys R Us filed for bankruptcy due to the decline in family formation after supporting Planned Parenthood for decades."

    you need to do some research on why toy-r-us had financial issues - their debt made some richer though
     
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    Hear! Hear!
     
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    The reality of life is that if you look deeply into anything and everything, you will always find a sample that proves your point. Nonetheless, the reality is that those that you quote are the extremes and the extremes rarely are in control. It does happen once in a blue moon, such as with Hitler, but none of us can live our lives thinking and worrying about the extremes as they are the exception and not the rule.

    The extremes are the ones that do the most damage (such as with Hitler). What each of us has to be careful of, is our own going to one extreme or the other (as you are doing with this post) as all extremes are bad.
     
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    Let me put this to you in another way. In the metro area I live, if you get a master's business degree from SMU Cox School of Business or even a bachelor's degree, most employers will look at you, even if you barely graduated from the degree program. Same thing if you obtain an engineering degree from Texas A&M, a prestigious Engineering college, one of the best in the world. So, leaving the name of the college off the application or resume, and focusing on your own accomplishments in that degree field might get an employer a better understanding of who the applicant is. This is not about being woke. It is business and finding the right candidate for the job. In other words, you have to earn that job in the same way as earning the title of United States Marine or anything else in your life. Nothing is going to be given to you because you are from "a good family" that has some wealth and prosperity.
     
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    You seem a bit lost. This topic is higher education, not K-12. Please find the appropriate comment for you comments toward me and I'll address them there.
     
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    It is you that doesn't seem to understand. To get higher education and be successful in understanding it, you have to be successful in getting good education in the K-12 grades.

    We are failing everywhere given that our children are not getting the basics down and therefore will also fail to get the higher education down

    Where does the US rank in education in the world?

    The U.S. ranks 14th in the world in the percentage of 25-34 year-olds with higher education (42%). have an upper secondary education are just 29% — one of the lowest levels among OECD countries
     
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    Don't forget that if you can earn a "living wage" flat right out of high school, then many who would have gone to college don't have to anymore. I mean, why go into debt with student loans if you can earn a living wage without even going to college?
     
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    Actually I understand completely. You go on at some length about how much smarter you and your ilk are than your interlocutors, blissfully unaware that you are off topic. As I told you. Address me on the correct topic and I'll respond there.
     
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    You can earn a lot more than that. Have you seen how much your wife is spending at the beauty salon? She can easily be spending $600 for a hair care and mani/pedi, all of which are services provided by trade school graduates. Have you looked at bill from an auto mechanic? electrician? general contractor? HVAC tech? plumber? Check out that hourly billing rate and compare to what your doctor and/or attorney are charging you.
     
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