Get Woke, Go Broke: How Higher Ed’s Push for “Equity” is Backfiring, Hard.

Like I have said a million times before. In this world of over 4 billion people, you can find anything and everything. There will be the extremes found everywhere. Most every idea will be proposed and most every idea will have something good and something bad about it.

Nonetheless, that is the reason why the U.S. has a Democracy where things are instituted not by one (or a few) person but my the majority.

I read the link you sent.

Here is a link to counter your link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/california-math-curriculum-guidelines.html

I want you to notice this paragraph:

But ever since a draft was opened for public comment in February, the recommendations have set off a fierce debate over not only how to teach math, but also how to solve a problem more intractable than Fermat’s last theorem: closing the racial and socioeconomic disparities in achievement that persist at every level of math education.

The California guidelines, which are not binding, could overhaul the way many school districts approach math instruction. The draft rejected the idea of naturally gifted children, recommended against shifting certain students into accelerated courses in middle school and tried to promote high-level math courses that could serve as alternatives to calculus, like data science or statistics.

This has not been made into law and has not yet been adopted by schools. As such, it is just one of many proposals that are made everywhere all the time. What problem actually exists? Are you saying that proposals to new ideas should not be offered?

 

Actually sir American education has been in free fall almost since the day Carter signed the bill creating the department of education as a SOP to his allies in the teachers unions. It isn't Republicans asking five years olds about there sex lives...

 

Knowledge can be taught without classifying kids before they grow up and surrounding them with conflicting propaganda in the classroom. That defies all what parenting should.

 

Define "conflicting propaganda". In addition, tell me what schools are supposed to be there for, if not for giving all knowledge and information to children. Who gets to choose what knowledge to give and what knowledge to keep silent? and tell me why some knowledge should be kept silent? Is knowing all, a bad thing?

 

Yeah, lets keep it all quiet so that we can totally ignore what is happening to our children and not teach them what are all the benefits and consequences of their actions, right? Lets trust the parents (who are generally not teachers of knowledge) to give them the right information, right?

 

The economy of Finland is a mostly free market economy that is highly industrialized and has a high dependence on trade, which accounts for about 33% of its gross domestic product (GDP).
https://www.worldatlas.com › articles › the-economy-of-finland.html

In the Danish mixed welfare-state economy, private sector expenditures account for more than half of the net national income. Public expenditure is directed primarily toward health and social services, education, economic affairs, foreign affairs, and national defense. The government does not have significant commercial or industrial income.
https://www.britannica.com › place › Denmark › Economy

Norway practices a mixed economy with both privately and publicly owned enterprises. Most of the economy is based on natural resource exploitation, including fishing, petroleum, and hydroelectric power.
https://www.worldatlas.com › articles › the-economy-of-norway.html

Somehow free market ,,, private sector ,,, privately ,, owned keep showing up. Perhaps they are free market economies with cultures that make strong support without abuse possible. Venezuela was wealthy before being gripped by fascist control. China opened their economy, became so successful that they have become emboldened to revert to fascist control. Russia is an empty vessel with a strong military.

I love my Swedish Husqvarna lawn equipment and my German and Japanese cars. The companies that make those products are able to compete successfully in the free market because they are not hamstrung with the likes of a Transportation Secretary who was so busy chest feeding that he earned the distinction of being the first to ground all aircraft in our country for the first time since 9/11. He like other woke picks was not a hire based on his competence.

 

The woke philosophy is anathema to education. They reject the idea of gifted students, an absurdity that the most casual observation disproves.
In NYC, parents are fleeing city schools because of woke ideas about equity. Wokeism is destroying public education.

https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/angry-parents-lash-out-at-doe-official-over-desegregation-plan/

https://heartland.org/opinion/half-of-nyc-parents-would-flee-public-schools/





Students should be educated to the limit of their abilities and interest. If that means Blacks are relegated to the back of the class, well so much the worse for Black students.

 

I was not (and I am still not all that) knowledgeable about this Woke thing regarding schools. I have been reading up on it and there definitely seems that higher education is suffering somewhat. Then again, like everything in life, higher education schools have gone to the extreme (as far as the costs involved) and all extremes bring changes.

Nonetheless and from what I have read, this is something that is happening everywhere and from the top on down to the employers. As such, it is not a problem that seems to have any solution that I can see. What exactly do you suggest be done about it? Getting rid of something that seems to be naturally happening is not something that normally has a solution.

 

This is for all the liberal and right wing sheep out there. Schools should teach actual Educational Curriculum so they can get jobs someday.

Unfortunately, the Republicans block alot of programs that are beneficial all while Liberals dumb down curriculum to help minorities. Thus, we are in the midst of dumbing down society aka Idiosyncracy.

Then, to top it off, the Democrats intend to replace actual educational curriculum with LGBT and Trans shows to satisfy a group that is less than 2% of our total population.

The problem is that these Teachers and educational supposed "Experts" impose LGBT and Trans ideology upon kids who are extremely impressionable to the point where the kid doesn't even know who they are all while these supposed Educational Experts are pushing them to be something they may not be.

Leave that to parents and concentrate on actual education and skills that will help a person survive the job market. I have never in my 50 years of life ever seen where Trans shows will ever help me with my job. I am not against the Trans or their shows, but keep them to adults only.

When a kid becomes an adult, they can choose what they want, but no educational expert should ever push them in a certain direction that they prefer their students to become. Ever!

 

I have serious doubts that Teachers are better at teaching our kids social skills. Teachers are educated to teach actual educational Curriculum. If they Promote any ideology aka Trans, LGBT, Trumpism Rhetoric, they are doing this of their own personal agenda.

 

From what I see, this Woke thing and critics of it seem to key on the few and not on the whole. I can see where that can be a negative but I can also see where that can be a positive. The reality is that the extremes of anything are always bad and keying on the rich and talented and keeping the poor and untalented in the gutter is not a solution for the nation as a whole but a solution for the top 1% of the nation.

I have always believed that the middle ground is best. The middle ground is where both sides get something but both sides sacrifice something. All extremes are bad. Life is hard and sacrifices need to be made but sacrifices need to be made by all, not just the ones that can't afford it or don't have the talent to overcome the obstacles by themselves. The rich and talented can afford to sacrifice a bit more and give a bit more simply because they have more and are more talented and able to overcome obstacles better than those that are not so talented.

A nation is everyone and not just a few.

 

That is your belief and you are entitled to it but that is YOUR belief and not necessarily a reality. Thing do change and if they don't, they may need to. After all, life changes all the time and we either need to adapt or suffer the consequences.

Ideas about what was right when the population of the world was 1/4 of what it is now is one thing but with a population of over 4 billion worldwide, things automatically change whether you want it or not. It is one of life's problems that there is little that can be done about it. Trying to impose something that worked before does not necessarily work now.

 

FYI. Teachers in elementary, middle and high school are not Professors. They are not enlightened to the point where they know more about what social agenda's should be taught to kids. If they do, they are solely doing this on their own with their own personal agenda. Those that do are on a personal mission to create kids in what they want kids to be like. Because, these teachers are no different than me or you. They only went to school to learn how to teach Math or English instead of Business. They are not experts by far on society and how kids should react to society. Not even close.

 

FYI. Teachers are human beings who have their own personal agendas not unlike you or me. Just like you want to spread your liberal or right wing ideology to everyone on this forum, any teacher who incorporates Trans ideology into their curriculum is attempting to influence impressionable children with their own personal agenda.

 

Those are assumptions you are making and may not be reality. You cannot use a wide paint brush to put everything into one category.

 

Fake News. I'm precisely correct on every point.

1. An executive order is not a bill passed by the Free Legislature.
2. The Legislature hasn't granted the President this authority. Dems controlled the Congress and could have passed a bill to accomplish this, or granted the President the authority to do so, and they did neither.
3. Students are simply being asked to repay the loans on the terms they agreed to.
4. It's neither "equity nor equality" to have working class with high school educations paying off the student debt of the gentry class with advanced degrees.

You're attempt to dismiss each of these rock solid facts without argument is an admission that you are defeated. I gracefully accept your surrender.

 

From your link:
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“Get woke, go broke.” It’s a phrase people coined to describe the failure of Hollywood’s recent politics-drenched efforts at blockbuster films, from which viewers stayed away in droves. But now it applies to another field: higher education.

College and graduate degrees were comparatively rare before about 1970. People could be quite successful without them, and there was little stigma attached to their absence.
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Do you know what happened since 1970. The entire world, much of it, has advanced in technology and in education.
So, many jobs are now more technical related. Needing more of the STEM degrees.

So it will require more education just to keep up with the Jones'. Or China, or any other developed country in the world that we compete for jobs and market place.

Having said that, not every job still requires a bachelors or higher degree.
But, to stay competitive in the world market place, we need more college degree workers than we did in 1970.

Education is the key to a strong and leadership quality Country. I for one, would like the USA to be a leader in the world.

 

LOL.
Aren't republicans typically more pro religion also?
That's the top of the list when it comes to indoctrination.

 

I guess you still care more about past racist naming and statues than you do about the well being of all people in the country.

 

I think you typo'd when comparing Islamofascists. That's religious in nature, more in line with conservative America.

 

First of all, my posts were not about facts but about about intentions. In fact, the entire OP is not about facts but intentions. As such, there is no Fake News and no surrender. This is not about what HAS HAPPENED but what is to happen (according to each persons view and opinions).

The title of YOUR OP says it all:

Get Woke, Go Broke: How Higher Ed’s Push for “Equity” is Backfiring, Hard.

Notice you own word "PUSH". Push is an attempt and not a fact. It is for the future and not stating a done thing. BACKFIRING is about an ongoing factor and not something that has ended.

 

Except you are on the road for 300 days out of 365 if you are a long haul truckers. However, a website called Smart Trucking does not have much respect for all of the big transportation companies who cut safety corners all the time, among other things.

 

1. That is high school
2. What makes you think parents are going to add more requirements in the GOP infused "Parent first education" initiative?
3. High schools nowadays are like mini colleges where a student, especially in large public high schools, have options on which path they can choose with the basic graduating requirements: history, science, English, a foreign language, social studies, etc.
4. At age 14 or 15, most teenagers have absolutely no clue on what they want to do with their lives. What they see on TV or social media influences their decision. And they think the quickest way to make a buck is to go on TikTok or YT.
5. If you look who is taking STEM classes, they are not the GOP minded teenagers you are thinking of. Care to guess who?
6. Employers not wanting to see where they graduate from on an application or resume has more to do with business looking for qualified candidates than anything with "woke" in them. No more silver spoons being fed to those who think just because they went to Texas A&M means that a job is waiting for them. Now they have to prove their mettle on why they want to work there.
7. Finally, education here is a business. From primary to college and beyond, it is a business. And we treat it as such. The problem is we don't have much respect for teachers. We put too much on teachers that go beyond teaching in order for them to have to walk on eggshells because a parent might get upset about what the teacher may or may not have said. Other countries, especially in Asia, treat education with more dignity and pay their teachers accordingly. We really don't pay primary and secondary teachers squat compared to the rest of the world.

 

All the countries listed are highly regulated and somehow, the far right has labeled them "socialist" or worse. That being said, the US is a mixed economy as well as all of Europe, including Russia. But the Russian economy is more of an oligarchy than anything else. If you really want to look at pure capitalism, go to Taiwan or China and look at the cell phone market. In both countries, especially in the PRC, there are no 2-year contracts, buy now and pay later schemes, etc. A person who has a phone can go from one company to the next to the next without any penalty while paying full price for that iPhone 14 that most Americans have to either pay in a 3-year monthly installment or trade in an older iPhone for a newer one and still pay in monthly installments while signing a two-year agreement for that cell phone service. And the prices are all the same here, more or less, you call, text, and internet. Not in Taiwan, China, Thailand, and most of the other countries with cell phone coverage.

 

Kids can make their own decisions and paths they take. With Mass Media nowadays, they can chose their own path straight, gay or trans or whatever. Let them just learn in school without being inundated by educators with personal agenda's or Politically generated shows.

I don't like the Republican answers either. They go overboard with censorship amongst other restrictions. I am not saying I am against some Left led Educational agendas. This is why we need two parties so one side doesn't go crazy which the Left is in the lead right now.