Trump vows to punish doctors, hospitals that provide gender-affirming care to transgender minors

I think the concern is more on the other side - whether the minor is being listened to and care for.

A minor can't order permanent alterations.

But, LGBTQ kids have a horrendous rate of suicide, and parents are not necessarily experts on these issues.

So, the minor needs to be listened to. Surgery is NOT the only service that the medical community can provide. And, NO hospital is going to do surgery before a lot of other steps are completed and there is full understanding, including with the parents.

Today, the DeSantis direction is to BLOCK listening to the minor - the very first step that is seriously important.

 

You are the perfect example of how radical the left has become. You are comparing cutting off a minor's breasts to getting tonsils removed. That's seriously ****ed up, but most of us expect no less from the radical left.

 

Where did anyone block psychiatric care for minors?

 

Blocking teachers from discussing these issues with a student cuts off the opportunity for care of any kind, whether just in the classroom, in sports, in professional care, etc.

Not many kids can discuss this topic with their parents. And, the parents aren't spending their time in the school.

It's common for parents to be the LAST to know that their kid has such issues - often not learning about it until the kid is an adult.

 

Teachers are not psychologists and should not be discussing this with children. That I agree with. The kids need mental health professionals.

 

I didn't argue with that.

The point is that teachers ARE one front line. They interact with the students. They get asked questions by students. They see the problems and dysfunctions that students carry. They project the environment needed for education. These are things that it is the responsibility of teachers to do.

Through interaction with kids, teachers can understand who needs various kinds of help - everything from class selection to tutoring to counseling. All these need to be done in consultation with the student.

Making that ILLEGAL in cases where LBGTQ is involved is to block that help.

 

Yes, you've already made that clear! I'm not asking you to repeat the answer that you've already given! It should be crystal clear from the above conversation chain that I have provided above, that what I am asking is: at what age can the child make the decision themselves?

 

Not sure the world is quite that binary, which is why aside from the patient, multiple doctors are involved for gender reassignment surgeries.

 

18 is the age of majority on medical decision making.

But, being legally allowed to make medical decisions for yourself is just NOT enough.

If you walk into a hospital and say, "Cut off my ring finger", they are NOT going to cut off your ring finger on your orders.

 

Yes, which can be dangerous and can harm kids, and it has no long term studies.

 

Well would there be a medical reason for that request?

 

Exactly. That is the point.

You can't just say, "cut of my ...". Modern medicine just doesn't work that way. There are ethics and processes that are absolutely required.

If you ask for a body modification, there will be an exploration of what is driving that. It may well include psychology, counseling, identification of alternatives. There will be wait periods. And, for any operation there are requirements of having adequate post treatment continuing support in place before hand.

 

Are these your own assumptions or do you have links supporting this? I can't imagine any amount of counseling that would still end in mutilating a minor's body, but here we are, it does happen.

 

I have not seen any evidence to the veracity of that claim.

 

Yes. Body integrity dysphoria.

 

You think that there might be long term studies for pumping kids full of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones?

 

Wait, are you actually mocking gender dysphoria?

 

Not every trans person has gender dysphoria. And, by the way, what are the primary medical recommendations for gender dysphoria? (You should loo them up)

 

then stopped asking the same question, I already answered, it depends on the child

 

I am sure there are. What are the marketing or chemical names for the drugs you are questioning?

 

No. Body integrity dysphoria is a recognized, though rare, condition.

 

Good, keep yiur hands off the kids.

 

Here you go. Took me 2 quick searches to find one.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4342775/

 

Yes, that bothers me, too.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20475262

This isn't great in terms of identifying a process, but it's not like there is one presentation, like there is for a disease.

But, the range of treatment options and issues to cover is shown to be significant.

Hospitals are NOT oriented to using surgery. They require psych services and have a wide range of ways to help. They go through diagnosis - not just accepting what the patient or parents state.

And again, parents are always involved.

I believe by the time something is done, they know more than I do.

Can I demand that the government must tell these parents and kids that it's a crime? Who does that help?

 

Ok, so when should a child be legally able to consent to sex? It depends on the child?