Most Americans (71%) Oppose Transgender Agenda

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  1. dairyair

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    That's an absolute untruth.
    It may be possible they don't encourage telling some parents because the parents will flip out and punish the child or endanger them in some fashion.

    But every decent teacher will encourage coming out of the closet when ready and if parents won't endanger the kids.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    It's possible to tell sex from bones, it's not with 100% certainty.

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    In the end, eight skeletal traits drawn from bones in the hands, feet, arms, legs, and jaw predicted the gender associated with an individual’s grave goods with at least 80 percent accuracy.
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/artic...d-new-way-determine-sex-cremated-individuals/
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fact that anthropologists look for indicators of sex from bones is enough to know that it's possible to do so and yet certain people (the woke type) aren't capable of drawing a distinction from a live specimen.
     
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    Why did you link a reference to cremated bones? The only reason I can think of was to underreport the accuracy of identifying someone's sex through their bone structure.
     
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    I thought you support drag queen story hour, which is for children. My bad if not. I would not want want children anywhere near such an event.

    How would anyone paying attention not? Earlier I posted a link from which I think you would find some 60% of us think this true. At best, some links say this is sometimes about arousal. They're trying to argue that this is some new sort of gender identity. Others (most?) state this is a sexually arousing thing for them. Example: https://read.dukeupress.edu/tsq/article/1/1-2/65/92027/Cross-Dresser
     
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    “In the past several years, views have shifted on gender identities.”

    America is shifting from Leftism to Conservatism:
    • In 2021, nearly six in ten Americans (59%) said there are only two gender identities, man and woman, and 40% of Americans believed there are many gender identities.
    • The following year, in 2022, 62% of Americans believed that there are only two gender identities, and more than one-third (35%) said there are many gender identities.
    • This divide slightly increased again in 2023, with 65% saying there are two gender identities and 34% saying there are many.
    The Washington Post Did a Poll on Transing Children and Trashed the Results Because They Didn’t Fit the Narrative.

    'a recent Washington Post-KFF poll which demonstrated that most Americans don’t buy into the LGBTQbutespeciallytheT narrative of allowing kids to pump themselves full of hormones and mutilate their bodies.'

    'A whopping 70% think transing kids is bad, while 60% don’t agree with transing teens. Moreover, a majority of those surveyed believe that elementary and middle school kids don’t need to hear transgender propaganda in schools.'

    'Poll Shows Most Americans Still Realize Gender Is A Biological Fact'
     
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    Of course it's possible.
    It's just not conclusive in 20% of cases.

    There's certain people, MAGA type, not capable of drawing a distinction.
     
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    Feel free to link your credible evidence.
    See if you can find a better report.

    So far, you haven't.
     
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    Actually, I had searched because your number seemed extremely low. Then when it didn’t check out, I clicked your link, and noticed you were referencing cremated bones which seems highly misleading based on the conversation. Rather than accusing other people of not searching why don’t you find a more realistic number rather than attempting to mislead?
     
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    You searched and found nothing concrete that bones can determine the sex of that former person with 100% accuracy.
    Good enough for me.
     
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    And so you decide to be absolutely negative without ever actually witnessing such an event which you call “a drag queen story hour”. Brilliant.

    And now you form solid and inflexible conclusions on the basis of speculation. Brilliant.

    You and the rest of the RWers love to make a big deal and invented outrage over nothing. And it’s destroying the frigging country. Real “patriotism”.
     
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    You're just hanging on to this false information you've presented and introducing new nonsense. Scroll up, look at your ridiculous post in response to the discussion, and either support or recant it. My point is that your source does not support your argument, and you're introducing irrelevant statistics while claiming it was something else. And now, in response, you're just complaining that someone called you out on it, and you're trying to go on an attack to get past the fact that you introduced misleading data points into your debate.
     
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    Here's another survey on the subject:
    https://www.prri.org/research/the-politics-of-gender-pronouns-and-public-education/

    They have done this survey over several years so they are tracking the progression of this subject over time. Some key findings:

    2021 -> 2023: Percentage of people who say there are only two genders
    All Americans: 59 -> 65
    Republican: 87 -> 90
    Independent: 60 -> 66
    Democrat: 38 -> 44
    Generation Z: 43 -> 57
    Baby Boomer: 63 -> 68

    What this shows it that most independents and half of Democrats believe there are only two genders. Additionally, they've lost Generation Z on this debate. The more this issue is pushed, the more support they lose.

    Only 14% of Americans "feel strongly that there is a range of many possible gender identities." 2% of Republicans, 11% of independents, and 27% of Democrats feel strongly that there are many gender identities.
     
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    So... you do support Drag Queen Story Hour?
    Supposedly sex is biology. Gender is a social construct.
    I'm from the west. We have a social construct forming at least minimums regarding expectations as to how a male is to act and behave. I'd think this person studiously trying to deviate from that construct, which is why you don't have children anywhere around them (that and he s smoking):

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    Transgenderism could rob young children of their innocence. There are people out there that may think Transgender people and drag queens (and kings) pretty much offensive to innocent children and other people that would know what to do or what to think. This is just opinions and figures of speech. Should we as a society expose this to our children. How would your children take to it?
     
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    I trust the adults on the scene and parents in attendance to deal with it appropriately and for authorities to apply the law. Unlike you, I don’t have a need to force my minority opinions and intolerances on anyone about this.
     
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    I'm watching this video just now: he claims parents have no opt out of what they see as inappropriate grooming.



    I'm from New England. I had friends who were forced into gun point bussing in Boston, sending white kids into communities that are taught to hate them to go to public school. Their lives were literally put in danger so that a ruling elite could virtue signal. Those powerful people? They could send their own kids to private school.

    Poor parents cannot just do that.

    And we should be intolerant of grooming, which is all that this appears to be.

    I don't care how much an "all devouring mother" may want to groom her own child, a society has an obligation to protect these children from such abuse.
     
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    Seriously. What an uniformed comment. My seven year old girl is not offended by her Uncle who is a trans male. She thinks he’s cool. She doesn’t give one **** he’s a trans male. She would be offended by your ignorant comments and people like you are causing loss of innocence by installing hate and bigotry in children.
     
  19. Steve N

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    How does a seven year old even understand the situation? And what would you do if she said switching sides is cool and wants to try it, you gonna start giving her injections?
     
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    Find some reliable reporting. I have zero trust in Fox after all I’ve seen. Some don’t learn. I do.

    We have ways if dealing with such things. It’s called “laws” and the proper processes. One or two events across the country do not justify fascism or “authoritarianism”. We had bussing protests widely in the 60s and people got involved and forced changes. And racism was never the right answer.
     
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    National Health Service in Great Britain bans puberty blockers

    'the UK began reversing course as it became clear that there simply was no scientific backing for the suppression of puberty and transitioning of children from one sex to another.'

    'using puberty blockers to alter the biology of children for gender transition is prohibited.'

    'The main objective of the intervention is to alleviate distress associated with gender incongruence & promote the individual’s global functioning and wellbeing. Clinicians are reminded that trans identification may be a transient phase for many youth.'

    Genital Destruction Industry

    'Countries across Europe have become extremely cautious about using puberty blockers and hormones as they have come to realize that the medical practitioners pushing them are ideologically-motivated liars. They are liars, promoting the idea that this is a gold standard, well-established, and understood science and medicine.'

    'The whole “completely reversible” meme is a bunch of lies.'
     
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    If you want a different source, use your search bar, you aren't helpless.

    Now, back to topic

    Poll: alphabet ideology losing ground with public

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    Biden's Trans-push is pushing Americans away:

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    A poll of 5,000 (huge poll)

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    Bud Light Mulvany with Biden.

    Year/There are only TWO genders/Many Genders
    • 2021 / 59% / 40%
    • 2022 / 62% / 35%
    • 2023 / 65% / 34%
    We have consensus.

    Almost every single group polled on this issue has moved rightward, including Democrats.

    DEMOCRATS - ONLY TWO GENDERS
    • 2021 - 38%
    • 2023 - 44%
    INDEPENDENTS - ONLY TWO GENDERS
    • 2021 - 60%
    • 2023 - 66%
    GEN Z - ONLY TWO GENDERS
    • 2021 - 43%
    • 2023 - 57%
    And that's despite massive continue propagandizing, indoctrination, and grooming in schools and universities. Gen Z shifted right by 14 points (!) on this issue.

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    Protestants of Color shifted rightward on this issue by 20 points, the most of any group.

    LGB messaging was effective because it was opening doors so that all could fully participate it the civil society. TQ+ with the grooming, the violence against women, the pedophilia, allowing perverts to mask as gender dysphoric and enter women's private places, showers, bathrooms, prison cells, that's more like blowing up the building than blowing open the doors, and Americans, showing their fundamental health, are rejecting it.
     
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    Does she have to understand the situation totally? She knows my nephew is a nice cool person. As far as your stupid question about switching sides. Grow up.
     
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    Why is that a stupid question when she’s at the age when the left starts to work on her about her gender identity? Are you afraid of how you’d react if she wanted to switch sides and would do everything to convince her she’s wrong?
     
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    I think you win the thread.
     
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