Is the Ukraine-Russia conflict really just a proxy war between the US and China?

Russia is fighting the proxy forces of a hostile military alliance on its western border. US support/instigation for a violent civil war in 2014 is the only reason the current conflict is happening.

"Victorias Nuland (center) with neo-Nazi party founder Oleh Tyahnybok (left), coup prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk (right) and Kyiv mayor Vitali Klitschko (rear)."

https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup

"On November 20, 2013, Ukraine member of parliament Oleg Tsarev accused the US Embassy in Kyiv of preparing a coup in Ukraine on the floor of the Ukrainian parliament.

"The nationalist faction in the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament, attempted to shout Tsarov done.[27] Tsarov said:

"'In my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people, activists from the Volya Public Organization turned to me, providing clear evidence that within our country, with support and direct participation of the US Embassy in Kiev, a 'TechCamp' project is under way in which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.'"

 

Your response to my post is one colossal failure. You failed to respond to my challenge to your statement of
“Poland has sent tens of thousands of soldiers who are fighting in Ukrainian uniforms on the side of Ukraine”. Again I say to you that you have failed miserably to substantiate your allegation of Poland sending troops to Ukraine.

 

just mountains out of molehills....seriously....who gives a flying f**k...Russia was trying to get CAR juju men and Syrians and all sorts of other numpties to fight their war for them...Kadyrov's "elite special forces" (read goat herders with guns) are have the crap knocked out of them in Bakhut so....meh....I mean people can make up all the sob stories they like about who's fighting where and when but like.... who cares.

 

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Oh please....whataboutism....you're rely trying to deflect ....This is about Ritter....but thanks for your $hitpost of the day!

 

Kremlin tried to recruit Syrian mercs back last March 2022....but somehow sandal wearing rebs in 100 degree heat doesn't bode well for snow,mud, and -15C temps back then......

 

.....yeah...they're not really recognised for their arctic weather combat acumen......actually they aren't recognised for any combat ability at all....

 

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/nato-frmrchief-poland-baltics-forces-ukraine

"Former senior advisor to the U.S. Secretary of Defence U.S. Army Colonel (ret.) Douglas McGregor reported the presence of an estimated 20,000 contractors from Poland playing key roles in the war effort including in frontline positions such as Bakhmut.

"Head of the Russian Wagner Group paramilitary force Yevgeny Prigozhin reported in late April regarding the deployments of large numbers of Polish forces to Bakhmut: 'Well-trained enemy units are now being tossed into Bakhmut. Polish speech all day long. While I used to say there were few mercenaries, now there’s a large number of them.'

"With much of Western Ukraine having historically been Polish territory, multiple sources have indicated for over a year that Warsaw may be intending to reintegrate the territory particularly if Ukraine’s partitioning is made more permanent or should a total Russian victory appear plausible."

According to Macgregor members of Poland's armed forces are removing their uniforms and fighting as "contractors" inside Ukraine; once the puppet regime in Kyiv is crushed, the Poles will switch into their national uniforms and reclaim western Ukraine.

Try to provide a rational response without resorting to moronic ad hominems.

 

Who cares?
Anyone concerned about the prospect of another "coalition of the willing" leading to WWIII:

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/nato-frmrchief-poland-baltics-forces-ukraine

"Former NATO Secretary General Anders Rasmussen warned in June 7 that Eastern European members of the alliance could actively deploy forces in Ukraine.

"Speaking at the NATO summit in Vilnius, he stated regarding the dangers of failing to reach a clear plan for providing further support to the Ukrainian war effort: 'If NATO cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine.'

"'And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground ... I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius.'"

 

it won't....don't fear the reaper....the oligarchs wouldn't sanction it, there's no money to be made in WWIII....people have this odd idea that there is some ideological or historical reason behind this war that could escalate to nuclear or whatever holocaust....its not ....its just a land grab nothing more....the only reason its continuing is because Putin doesn't care...if he can't have Ukraine then neither can they....he's flattening cities simply because he can....he doesn't give it a second thought. Putin is only motivated by power and money.
There's not going to be WWIII....there's simply no money in it for the oligachs. Don't worry yourself

 

"Poland is sending its military in support of Kiev to prepare and train them to further occupy the western part of the country, retired U.S. Marine intelligence officer Scott Ritter said in an interview with the YouTube channel Judging Freedom.

"'The logic is that Warsaw is interested in Western Ukraine, in those territories and cities that were part of Poland in 1939,' the speaker said.

"According to Ritter, Polish troops have no experience in warfare, so now they actually send their soldiers to the ranks of the AFU to train and educate them to fight.

"The interview notes that Poland has sent tens of thousands of soldiers who are fighting in Ukrainian uniforms on the side of the Kiev regime.

"Ritter adds that when the time comes these troops will be sent to western Ukraine, they will not even have to cross the Polish-Ukrainian border, as they will already be inside the country."

https://www.tvr.by/eng/news/v_mire/...sha_gotovitsya_okkupirovat_zapadnuyu_ukrainu/

 

That's a somewhat revealing look at how you view the world. I disagree that the world is run by wise oligarchs who are running the world like a chessboard. I think miscalculation, error, and misread intentions have more to do with how the world works than careful oligarch plans. I get that the oligarchs would love to be able to manipulate on that level, but they just are not smart enough.

So yes, escalation by the West does increase the chances of World War III, even if that's not the wishes of the oligarchs.

 

First of all I did not in any way resort to ad “hominems “. I disagree with your post and my opinion is about your post not you personally.

You grab out one guy with a questionable background who appears on RT Russian television and makes anti Ukrainian statements. “
“Douglas Macgregor

University of Virginia (Ph.D.)

After leaving the military in 2004, he became more politically active. In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed Macgregor as ambassador to Germany, but the Senate blocked the nomination. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months. Trump also controversially appointed him to the board of West Point Academy, his alma mater.[3] He regularly contributes to Fox News and has appeared on the Russian state-funded channel RT.[4] His commentary has been noted for disparaging Ukraine, immigrants and refugees.[5][6][4]”.

You expect me to accept the lies of a pro Russian RT propagandist that “20,000” Polish contract volunteer fighters are operating in Ukraine. No way.
You actually believe that Poland a NATO country would try to take over Ukraine ( Western) if Russia occupies Ukraine. Get real.
You want me to believe the words of Prigozhin a person you is light years away from the truth that there are “many” Polish contract fighters in Ukraine.

If that was the case then why has Russia not captured any Contract Polish fighters since there are so many of them ? How about bodies of dead Polish contract fighters?

It is known that there are paid foreign fighters in Ukraine from a multiple of countries but that is no reason for me to take the word of a pro Russian TV propagandist and neither should you.

So see again there is no ad hominem projected at you just at two questionable characters.

 

No, not the world just Russia, the Russian elites and Putin in particular.
And yes, I agree the world is not run by "wise" oligarchs but Russia is run by "crime" syndicates with Putin at the top...for example the situation with Putin and Prigozhin's mutiny and fact that he's still a player in the game being case in point. I think one of the mistakes here is applying an overlay that Russia as a "normal" rule-of-law state with a government and all the organs of government functioning in a manner that we in the west would recognise which it isn't. If you look at in terms of a "mafia" like structure then you can make sense of what you are seeing which is a negotiation between warlords...much like the narco-gangs in South/Central America for example. If one applies that rationale then I think one can make sense of Russia and Putin and the events we see at the moment.

 

Colonel Douglass Macgregor has a helluva lot more credit than anyone posting here and still has classified intel clearance. It is well known that Poland wants back the land they lost to Stalin in WW2. (the western 1/3 of "the ukraine" where the "ukrainians"/nationalists stem from)

He is a voice of reason amongst the insane.

 

Well the comment I was replying to...



...assured that there will be no WWIII because the "oligarchs" won't allow it.

That sounds like an excuse to test the theory.

I on the other hand thing things could really get out of control if we're not careful. I don't know why people think WWIII is worth risking over such minor stakes.

 

by whom?

 

At least you got Dougl-"ass" MacGregor right.

Wonder how much $$$ he raked in today by puking out dribble?

 

The Westerners who want to escalate in Ukraine.

Isn't that you?

 

Do you have actual verified proof other than Putins opinion? Russia also has contractors fighting for them. What else is new?

 

escalate how exactly?

Well that depends on what you think my view is?

 

OK you don't know what escalation means and you, after many posts in the Ukraine threads the past two years or so, don't know your own positions.

Interesting.

 

well, you're the one thinking that we're heading towards some doom scenario so no, I simply want to understand what YOU think escalation means?

 

...so what is this escalation you think is going to cause WWIII?

 

I think that you misunderstood my post. I did not deny that there were not thousands of contract “soldiers” fighting for Russia. Of course there are.

 

Thus, would be fair that Ukraine can do the same.