Any good books on Trump’s appeal to his supporters?

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  1. robini123

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    Well said. My apologies for rushing to judgment.
     
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    I agree, but refuse to stand with the subjectively arrived at lesser evil. The problem as I see it is people justifying standing with a lesser evil in order to fight a greater evil. It is hypocritical, immoral and detrimental to our Union. Unfortunately good leaders I can get behind have zero chance at winning national elections as we the people prefer the subjective lesser evil over a leader with good moral and ethical fiber.
     
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    No worries!
     
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    Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
     
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    One doesn't need a book to know why he's popular.

    He's rude and crude and ridicules everyone not in his cult. I think one even posted earlier, they like his cahonies.

    The cult eats that stuff up.
     
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    There was a recent thread about this topic:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-left-just-dont-get-about-trump.612373/

    Interestingly, as far as I remember, only ONE poster in this thread could answer the question of why Trump has such an appeal to his voters.

    Of course, you get responses like: It's his policies. Well, that's the "safe" response, which, however, cannot explain the strong emotional attachment his supporters have to him. It seems almost nothing can shake this attachment, as he said, he could shoot someone on 5th Ave in broad daylight, and wouldn't lose a supporter.

    Now, nobody gets so excited about anyone's "policies". No, there are other reasons, in particular ones that his supporters do not want to reveal in public, or on an internet forum. Because these emotions go much deeper than just "policies" or "logic". They are based on more primal instincts, for example the fear of others, the fear of change, the fear of what is deemed abnormal, the joy of "owning" the left, and, yes, some hate. Trump knows how to stoke all of those emotions in his supporters and use them to his advantage. I am sure that in the coming decades, many psychology books will be written on this phenomenon.
     
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    That sounds like something parroted right off of The view.

    Trump is not the one that told people they're not really black if they don't vote for him and he's also not the one that fought against desegregation of schools by busing children and saying that he didn't want his kids growing up in a racial jungle.

    That's the racist you libs voted for
     
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    Oh...the... ****ing...irony!...lol
     
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    The scary thing is that they look like perfectly normal, even nice people (and they probably are). They just watch Fox News 24/7, and that's their predicament. Propaganda is a strong force. It can convince perfectly good people that Jews are their mortal enemy and need to be exterminated, as we have witnessed from history. It can also convince perfectly normal people that an election was stolen from them.
     
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    Calling out someone’s actual behavior isn’t belittling them. But I realize you have to disagree with that. Meh…so be it.
     
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    I don't think my assumptions were much of a stretch considering that it's 2023.
     
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    I don’t seek perfection as that is impossible. The enemy of good is when otherwise good people turn a blind eye to the evil within their preferred groups and then stand against a subjectively perceived greater evil. Evil tends to perceive itself as good and the victim of abuse from an outside evil which then is used as justification to inflict like evils upon said out group. Join me in the center absent of loyalty to any politician, political party or political ideology and then you will see the evil in both groups more clearly.

    I see the lesser evil argument as an excuse to continue acting in immoral ways because the other side does too. Who among us that have raised a child taught them that two wrongs make a right or that they should only do the right thing if the other side does it first?
     
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    I find the issue to be much more complex. I think it is the topical examinations, stereotypes and profound ignorance on both sides that is ripping this country apart. Bias comes easy to us. I seek to understand the minutia and the complexities of rightwing partisans. Funny thing is that those with no loyalty to either tribe can see the many disturbing similarities in both. Human nature is systemic.
     
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    I've answered this questions several times already in this forum already. His appeal is simple. He figured out that maybe if he campaigned on the same ideas Neocons and Bushies have been campaigning on since Reagan and then actually tried to do them instead of giving them lip service he might not only win but create a loyal following. He won because of that. even better he stood up to the alphabet soup media instead of cowering like a whipped dog as Bushies and Neocons always have. It isn't difficult. Note any one could have done the same thing. We have several candidates now trying the same thing. The two front runners for president are either in or approaching their eighth decade and neither is in particularly good health. There is no guarantee the either of them will still be alive in by 2024. Trump has lost much his luster with not because of any of the bogus allegations the administrative state keeps dredging up but because of his inability to understand that he isn't immortal and trying to castrate potential heirs not only isn't good for the brand which isn't Trump but small government conservatism but it makes it even less likely that he can win in 2024. As I did in 2016 my vote will go to some one other than trump until there is no other viable choice. And sorry but pence and Jersey boy aren't viable choices.
     
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    Maybe get more details of the poster(s) that like his cahonies.

    He is great at ripping people who are not part of the cult. So seek answers from them.
     
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    This comes to mind
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    MAGA, to a tee!!

    If only he'd tell them it's over and take the same path his followers did.
    Cult members are gullible.
     
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    And then there was…
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    Lols!
     
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    Part of it is what is called “world view bias”. People see what they want to see. That is why no two trump supporters actually agree on what he stands for
     
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    2X impeached.
    Presided over a recession.
    Lost as an incumbent.
    Several criminal charges. Related to stealing gov't documents. Also, undermining the democratic peaceful transfer of power.
    The most unconstitutional president ever. But then again, he know nothing about the constitution or democracy.
    That's why Putin and kim jong un are his besties.
     
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    Don’t forget found to have sexually assaulted at least one woman
     
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    According to the saint MAGA, he did no such thing.
    But, the courts say otherwise.

    Truth is not what MAGA wants.
     
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    Getting back to books, I contend that we should remember above all that those who loyally support Mr. Donald Trump are our fellow Americans and not some mysterious 'them'. They are members of our overall society, with all of our strengths and weaknesses. Each of us have many, many characteristics, not as absolutes but as degrees along a continuum.

    Those who support Mr. Trump have certain characteristics which fall on the plus side of the average. These are an acceptance of an authoritarian leader and susceptibility to emotional, as opposed to logical, arguments and statements.

    An excellent starting point in attempting to understand why some people support Mr. Trump is a book written many years ago; The True Believer, by Mr. Eric Hoffer. There are others.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Truth is not what you're going to find in a civil court trial if anyone named Trump in NYC.
     
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