The fake outrage on the right regarding Joe Biden

Let's start with this short clip, an interview with Comer




So, what's wrong here?

First let's clear up who Comer is talking about here, the 'FD-1023' document referred to
is the one given to the FBI by Alexander Smirnoff. This is public knowledge.

Now then, since Smirnoff has been indicted, many on the right are trying to shift the blame to the FBI since Smirnoff was 'their informant'. Given the facts, below, that fact is irrelevant,

The proof is in the video, and what does it prove?

It proves that the FBI didn't want to give the document to Congress ostensibly because it's contents hadn't been confirmed.

It proves that that fact didn't matter to Comer, he wanted the doc, the FBI wouldn't release it because the contents has yet to be confirmed at that juncture, so what did Comer do?

He subpoenaed the document, and that forced the FBI to deliver it.

Since it hadn't been vetted at that juncture THEREFORE any reliance on that document
by Comer & Jordan et al, is NOW THEIR REPONSIBILITY and not the FBI's. This is the critical fact that many of you on the right are ignoring. Since comer and repubs are relying on it, they subpoenaed before the FBI was able to corroborate it, all their pontificating that they have proof of Hunter and Joe 'influence peddling' 'corruption' 'money laundering' has been debunked because the only real proof they had was the 1023, which is now proven false,..

This is why certain individuals on this forum who are trying to blame the FBI are making a specious argument, and the video is proof.

What is Comer saying in the video?

He is saying that the Smirnoff testimonies confirms all the other 'proof' they have, Hunter Biden financial documents which 'reveal payments to the Biden family'.



But, what he appears to be ignorant of are the following facts:

1. None of the Hunter Biden documents implicate Joe Biden. So, that being true, all the remains is evidence that Hunter Biden conducted business abroad, profited from it, and shared the proceeds with associates and family members. But the salient fact is that the 'Biden Family' does NOT include Joe Biden.

One individual on this forum argues that 'it doesn't matter if Joe didn't get paid', because of what some TV Pundit lawyer said. Well, that TV Pundit Lawyer is wrong. And proof of that conclusion is for anyone to review the Supreme Court case McDonald v United States. The bar for prosecution is much higher than that.

2. Comer asserts that Smirnoff's testimony (on the 1023 doc) 'proves' that all of the other evidence on the Hunter laptop confirms his suspicions because 'there is a pattern'. What is the pattern, precisely? I'll tell you. It is ONLY that an AMerican citizen earned money abroad, and shared the profits from the business deals with his family members, all BUT Joe Biden. This is not a crime.

3. Therefore, Comer's ONLY (would might have been hard) evidence of Joe doing wrong is Smirnoff's testimony (if the FBI were to corroborate it, which they proved otherwise).

4. However, Smirnoff's document has finally been vetted (proving Comer should have waited) and the long and short of it is that Smirnoff has been feeding Russian disinformation to the FBI, for which he is now been indicted. But, the problem now is that Comer, Jordan, and a number of other republicans, have been going on TV claiming that Joe Biden has been conducting an 'influence peddling scheme', receiving payments for favorable policy decisions. They have been impugning the integrity of Joe Biden for quite a long period now. This is, of course, defamation. Whether or not that constitutes a cause of action, I do not know,

5. Okay, so what are those policy favors claimed by Comer, given by Joe, which, of course, is impossible since Joe wasn't president during the times in question? Nada. There are none. No proof of such has been produced. That there are none means there is no 'influence peddling', nor is there 'money laundering', nor is there 'corruption'. It is not illegal for Hunter to earn money abroad, even though he credited success of said deals by way of his famous surname, and using his dad as a prop. Note: Testimony by both Archer and James tells us that Joe did not conduct business with Hunter, nor profited from his deals. The issue of is 'lying about not knowing about his son's business deals' has been mischaracterized, the right is claiming he lied, but he only claimed he wasn't doing business with his son, and didn't know of the details of those deals. He did not say he had no cursory knowledge, that distinction has yet to be offered by accusers. But, again, even if he did lie, lying is not a crime if there is no crime being lied about. And there isn't.

6. someone on this forum tries to spin Hunter's business transactions as 'doing business with an adversary'. Who is the adversary? China. The same adversary that The Trump Family has profited millions from, which many other American firms have profited from, yet I see NO outrage directed at Trump or anyone else, for which there is evidence, yet you guys on the right are outraged at joe Biden, for which the 'evidence' has now evaporated.

Moreover, we have many other videos of other Republicans trying to make hay out of the document.



More facts:

Not one financial document produced by Comer has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

The Checks to Joe from James Biden are loan repayments, if the claim is otherwise, where is the proof?

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him. Other testimony lacks corroboration.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Noting that every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

Noting that the chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, it only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact. Weiss is not charging Hunter with FARA.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website. In fact, if someone deals with large sums doing business with foreign entities, SARs are common.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

IRS agents are not, by definition, true whistleblowers, their testimony is merely a disagreement with the prosecutors prosecutorial decisions, in which such disagreements are common, and not only that, their testimony was impeached by Weiss , Garland and Rep Goldman and Raskin.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

That we do not know the nature of the transactions is cause for inquiry, but, of itself, is not proof. Don't ask me, i do not know, but the onus is on accusers to prove their allegations

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

The Smirnoff Testimony was the centerpiece to tie all the other circumstantial evidence to gether, but since that has blown up in smoke due to Smirnoff's indictment for providing false information to the FBI, all the other 'evidence' isn't conclusive, it's just innuendo, and thus the impeachment is now on the rocks.

And why i say 'fake outrage' that is because there is no evidence on Joe, but there is evidence on Trump, for which the right is not interested.

 

I takes you a lot of words to say the Biden investigation is not over.

 

That isn't the point in the OP.

Your rebuttal doesn't negate the facts presented.

Everything in the OP gives pertinent details worthy to the point raised.

Therefore, your rebuttal fails.

 

ANd as per usual, your thread is filled with half truths, omission of facts, and plain falsifications of information

FALSE
There is no way any foreign adversary would pay the Biden family 24 million dollars for nothing

So if Hunter earned profits from foreign nationals, they only way you could know that is to know what he provided.
Please provide the products or services Hunter Biden provided to earn 24 million dollars from foreign nationals.
And you can forget claiming investments as none of 20 accounts found hosting the 24 million are registered with the SEC.
Can't wait to hear this one.

FALSE
Testimony from Hunters own business partners stated under oath they witnessed Joe's involvement in this corruption.

So for 14 years, (As Wray testified too) Smirnov has been a trusted and competent informant (As Wray testified too) paid hundreds of thousands of dollars (As Wray testified too)
And the information the FBI received from Smirnov in 2020 (the 1024 file) that the FBI refused to release, was finally magically vetted just weeks after it was subpoenaed?
And just weeks after it was subpoenaed Smirnov is indicted?
Nobody is buying that loonacy

And we now know from FBI whistleblower testimony, the Justice Department made a concerted effort to prevent investigators from asking questions about Smirnov and his 1024.
If it wasn't true, then how did the FBI whistleblowers know about it.

Romania: On September 28, 2015, Vice President Biden welcomed Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. Within five weeks of this meeting, a Romanian businessman involved with a high-profile corruption prosecution in Romania, Gabriel Popoviciu, began depositing a Biden associate’s bank account, which ultimately made their way into Biden family accounts totaling over 3 million.

China- CEFC: On March 1, 2017—less than two months after Vice President Joe Biden left public office—State Energy HK Limited, a Chinese company, wired $3 million to a Biden associate’s account. This is the same bank account used in the above “Romania” section. After the Chinese company wired the Biden associate account the $3 million, the Biden family received approximately $1,065,692 over a three-month period in different bank accounts. Additionally, the CEFC Chairman gives Hunter Biden a diamond worth $80,000. Lastly, CEFC creates a joint venture with the Bidens in the summer of 2017. The timeline lays out the “WhatsApp” messages and subsequent wires from the Chinese to the Bidens of $100,000 and $5 million. The total amount from China, specifically with CEFC and their related entities, to the Biden family and their associates is over $8 million.

Kazakhstan: On April 22, 2014, Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani oligarch used his Singaporean entity, Novatus Holdings, to wire one of Hunter Biden’s Rosemont Seneca entities $142,300. The very next day—April 23, 2014—the Rosemont Seneca entity transferred the exact same amount of money to a car dealership for a car for Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden and Devon Archer would represent Burisma in Kazakhstan in May/June of 2014 as the company attempted to broker a three-way deal among Burisma, the Kazakhstan government, and a Chinese state-owned energy company.

Ukraine: Devon Archer joined the Burisma board of directors in spring of 2014 and was joined by Hunter Biden shortly thereafter. Hunter Biden joined the company as counsel, but after a meeting with Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky in Lake Como, Italy, was elevated to the board of directors in the spring of 2014. Both Biden and Archer were each paid $1 million per year for their positions on the board of directors. In December 2015, after a Burisma board of directors meeting, Zlochevsky and Hunter Biden “called D.C.” in the wake of mounting pressures the company was facing. Zlochevsky was later charged with bribing Ukrainian officials with $6 million in an attempt to delay or drop the investigation into his company. The total amount from Ukraine to the Biden family and their associates is $6.5 million.

Russia: On February 14, 2014, a Russian oligarch and Russia’s richest woman, Yelena Baturina, wired a Rosemont Seneca entity $3.5 million. On March 11, 2014, the wire was split up: $750,000 was transferred to Devon Archer, and the remainder was sent to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, a company Devon Archer and Hunter Biden split equally. In spring of 2014, Yelena Baturina joined Hunter Biden and Devon Archer to share a meal with then-Vice President Biden at a restaurant in Washington, D.C. The total amount from Russia to the Biden family and their associates is $3.5 million.

Bank memorandum 1 confirming Bidens influence peddling
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Bank-Records-Memo-3.16.23.pdf

Bank memorandum 2 confirming Bidens influence peddling
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Bank-Memorandum-5.10.23.pdf

Bank memorandum 3 confirming Bidens influence peddling
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Third-Bank-Records-Memorandum_Redacted.pdf

Bank memorandum 4 confirming Bidens influence peddling
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Third-Bank-Records-Memorandum_Redacted.pdf

China
Russia
Ukraine
Kazakhstan
Romania

 

The fact remains, the investigation is not over and that is a fact which you routinely ignore.

 

Claim made without substantiation, fail

Claim made on an assumption, fail.

Nothing he earned implicates Joe Biden. That's the only relevant fact.
What the nature of the transactions were, are for the accusers to establish. Until then, assumptions are not proof of criminal activity.

Ditto, above.

Claim made without substantiation. Substantiate your claim.

Hostile witnesses require corroboration, none has been provided.
Devon Archer and James Biden testimonies exonerate Joe Biden
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-committee-releases-devon-archer-transcript/story
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-biden-testimony-house-biden-impeachment/

Your characterization of FBI''s relationship with Smirnoff is not substantiated.
But, it doesn't matter. ALL FD-1023s, trusted source or not, require corroboration if offered
as adverse evidence in court.

Your characterization is spin. Here is the non spin version:

Congress subpoenaed the 1023 docs against the recommendation of the FBI, but, as is true with all subpoenas, per law they must comply with deliberate speed,

That it was vetted after the subpoenaed, the timing must be assumed to be a coincidence, unless you can prove otherwise, which you cannot. Given that they had the document for some time before the subpoena, suggests the timing is a coincidence because it took about that length of time to prove disinformation wsa being supplied to Smirnoff.

See above. Once it was established he lied to the FBI, the only logical subsequent action is to indict..

Look up the definition of weasel words. Such are not merit worthy arguments.

The claim that the Justice Department actively tried to prevent investigators from asking questions about Alexander Smirnov and his FD-1023 is misleading. Here are the facts:

1. Alexander Smirnov, an ex-FBI informant, was recently indicted for lying to the FBI about President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Smirnov alleged that a Ukrainian company gave a bribe to the Biden family12.
   
   
2. His bribery story unraveled after the FBI reviewed his travel records, messages, and emails, which were in direct conflict with what he reported to the FBI in 2020. Despite repeated admonishments to provide truthful information, Smirnov persisted in making false claims about the president and his son1.
   
   
3. The unverified report from Smirnov was initially revealed when Sen. Chuck Grassley and Rep. James Comer sent a letter to the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The report alleged a criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Biden and a foreign national related to the exchange of money for policy decisions. However, the FBI clarified that such reports are raw, unverified information from confidential human sources and do not necessarily reflect the conclusions of investigators1.

In summary, the indictment of Smirnov undermines the credibility of his claims, and the FBI whistleblowers’ knowledge of it is based on investigative review, not on any concerted effort by the Justice Department to suppress information1

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/i...ermines-centerpiece-of-gops-impeachment-case/

https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/p...ng-fbi-confidential-human-source-felony-false

There is no evidence to suggest that Vice President Biden’s official actions were compromised due to these financial transactions (between Hunter Biden and Popoviciu whom Hunter represented in a criminal case).


The evidence did not reveal that Joe Biden received $3 million or any money. The financial transactions involving Gabriel Popoviciu and the Biden family (meaning Hunter Biden) were related to fees for Hunter's legal representation

Hunter Biden is a private citizen, unlike Jared Kushner, and he is legally allowed to do business abroad. No evidence any moneys with to Joe Biden, or that Joe Biden gave any political favors as the result.
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The timeline lays out the “WhatsApp” messages and subsequent wires from the Chinese to the Bidens of $100,000 and $5 million. The total amount from China, specifically with CEFC and their related entities, to the Biden family and their associates is over $8 million.

Kazakhstan: On April 22, 2014, Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani oligarch used his Singaporean entity, Novatus Holdings, to wire one of Hunter Biden’s Rosemont Seneca entities $142,300. The very next day—April 23, 2014—the Rosemont Seneca entity transferred the exact same amount of money to a car dealership for a car for Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden and Devon Archer would represent Burisma in Kazakhstan in May/June of 2014 as the company attempted to broker a three-way deal among Burisma, the Kazakhstan government, and a Chinese state-owned energy company.

Ukraine: Devon Archer joined the Burisma board of directors in spring of 2014 and was joined by Hunter Biden shortly thereafter. Hunter Biden joined the company as counsel, but after a meeting with Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky in Lake Como, Italy, was elevated to the board of directors in the spring of 2014. Both Biden and Archer were each paid $1 million per year for their positions on the board of directors.

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Ditto above

Ditto above

The 'entity' is Rosemont Seneca Thorton, which Hunter's lawyer asserts Hunter has no interest in.

That old trope has long since been debunked, not one nickel ever went to Joe Biden.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/sep/30/examining-trump-claim-hunter-biden-got-35-million-/

Devon Archer has testified about Joe attending the dinners, there is no crime there. Sorry.

The document is a congressional memo, and, as such, represents unsubstantiated claims if the claim is "Joe Biden broke the law".

Ditto above.

Ditto above.

Ditto above.

The document is a congressional memo, and, as such, represents unsubstantiated claims if the claim is "Joe Biden broke the law".

All you have proven is Hunter Biden did the following:

1. Conducted business abroad.
2. Profited from his ventures.
3. Shared profits with associates and siblings.

What you have not proven is the following:

That Joe Biden broke any laws.

This fact is confirmed by the inescapable fact that US Attorney David Weiss has not made one criminal referral on Joe Biden, nor any indictment having anything to do with money laundering, influence peddling, or corruption, after investigating Hunter Biden for over 6 years now.

Fail.

You have NOTHING.

 

While you just regurgitate the same ole same ole without any ability to refute anything, the facts remain the same that you can't dispute
Bank investigators found 20 accounts used to take 24 million from foreign nationals and distributed to 9 Biden family members.
The accounts, balances, and wires to Biden family members are now public information.

And neither Hunter, Joe, or any Biden family member has denied it because they know they can't.
So you can read the public information or you can just continue to post propaganda.
Everyone knows which one you will do.

They do. They have emails, text, documents and bank accounts corroborating their testimony.
But you only have propaganda

FALSE
Its not my characterization
Its Christopher Wrays own testimony under oath.
And you know this
But you prefer to post propaganda

FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to lawmakers that the source was highly valued by the FBI, was considered the "go to" source in the region, and had been paid six figures for work to date. He also stated at the time that they would not release the records being requested by Congress
because the source was so highly valued and involved in multiple ongoing investigations.

So I guess that quashes your propaganda about the FBI not releasing the 1024 because they were trying to protect the Republican committee from embarrassing themselves.
TOO TOO FUNNY

I don't have to prove squat. The timing speaks for itself.
They had Smirnovs 1024 for 4 years, testified he was a credible source highly valuable, then once the subpoena hits to committee, their credible highly valuable source is indicted for the information in that 1024?

But we all love watching you leap frog over everything that doesn't fit your narrative just to push more propaganda.

Sorry, Your so called made up facts, don't jive with Wrays testimony

So do tell us, what business did Hunter conduct abroad to earn 24 million from 5 foreign countries.
Sorry, your credibility and propaganda postings do not afford you to make any claim without corroboration.

You claim Hunter was conducting business abroad, then you are either fabricating that claim for your own post, or
you can produce evidence to the contrary.
(Which you can't)
And before you start in with your normal (it ups to everyone else to prove (X))
This is YOUR CLAIM so YOU PROVE IT
GUARANTEED YOU WON'T

 

This has been yet another embarrassing flop for Republicans in Congress. They need to shift the blame any way they can. Blaming the FBI for providing a document THEY subpoenaed is no more or less ridiculous than EVERYTHING they have said in this case.

And they HAD Hunter Biden confession.... crimes were minor. And probably the confession was intended to avoid his father having to deal with his son being on trial during the campaign. I don't know that they have even that anymore to run on.

No doubt that they blew it!

 

I guess they will just forget about the 20 Biden accounts used to launder 24 million to 9 Biden family members from 5 adversarial foreign nationals.

 

They are so desperate to show the left is as corrupt and fraudulent as the right. And when facts don’t agree they have no issues simply making it up or relying on actions of foreign nations.

 

The Biden Family are not politicians, only a single person.

Why is why y’all say Biden Family and not Joe Biden in these accusations. I am sure it fools people that want to be fooled.

 

I think you've set a record for "Largest Wall of Words". I'm curious, however, over how much is your original writing and how much is AI assisted/generated.

 

@Patricio Da Silva

Comer did not know Smirnov's name until Fri... pretty hard to claim the CHS without a name..

Please show us the FBI FD-1023 from the 2023 Smirnov interview...the indictment show the FBI's as the liars, not Smirnov...

You are confused who's CHS this is..
Why has Wray not been arrested and indicted for lying to Congress....
Where is the DOJ investigation into this?
This is a "declassified" FBI FD-1023.... this is a FBI highly revered and credible CHS.... with a FBI informant.....while the FBI was has sat on this document for several years.... then the FBI claimed never existed..... and then the FBI claimed it was so sensitive it could only be seen in a SCIF while the FBI has apparently leaked classified information to the news media....
So where are the FBI investigation of the FBI document that "requires verification." came up with after sitting on it for years and Grassley/Comer uncovering to the public? It is not Comer's CHS, it is the FBI's..... your Comer video relies on the FBI te;;ing the truth, which they did not..

 

@Patricio Da Silva

Please show us the 2023 FD-1023 interview with Smirnov... the FBI has yet to produce it, maybe you have a copy..

 

Then maybe you can clear it all up for us with information that Hunter, Joe, or every other Biden family members can't provide.

Other than (The Big Guys) political influence, please provide any other product or service provided by the Biden family that provided them with 24 million dollars from 5 adversarial Foreign nationals.

And before you start with your debunked investment claims, NONE of the 20 accounts that have laundered 24 million to the Biden family are registered with the SEC.

I'll wait while you figure out what none of the Bidens can provide.

 

It’s been stated in hearings numerous times — Hunter gave the illusion of influence and the illusion of legitimacy due to his last name. He sold his name.

Care to tell us which law that violates?

 

Tax evasion, Tax fraud, Money laundering, wire fraud and defrauding investors for a start.
Kind of goes along with his current indictments for tax evasion and tax fraud cases

 

US Attorney David Weiss Appointed by a Republican. has not made one criminal referral on Joe Biden, nor any indictment having anything to do with money laundering, influence peddling, or corruption, after investigating Hunter Biden for over 6 years now.

Nothing you have posted gets negates this inescapable fact.

Got that?

The video IN the OP proves the investigation is horse manure And that comer and jordan are PUTIN PATSIES

DEAL WITH IT

 

Why?

 

The 2023 FD-1023 interview Smirnov said he worked with the Russians.... How funny his Joe/Biden statement is a lie, but his statement about working for Russian is iron clad and unquestionable....

and all of it from the FBI's 2020 form he nor the FBI can verify as Mykola Zlochevsky has "disappeared" and neither can use him one way or another...
A court has ruled to arrest former Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevsky in "absentia"
National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine 2020 put Zlochevsky on the wanted list.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-po...xecology-minister-zlochevsky-in-absentia.html

 

None of that violates any tax evasion laws. Hunter is charged with filing his taxes late. hell millions of people do that and they're not charged including myself.

None of that via violates any money laundering laws

None violates any corruption laws

None of that violates any influence peddling laws

In fact none of your evidence proves any criminal violation at all.


This is why the only thing that weiss has charged. Hunter with was filing taxes late. Which at the most will give him probation since it's a first defense

And the only reason Weiss did that because after 6 years that he had to come up with something.

 

Taking a position due to your last name isn’t tax evasion or tax fraud.

But if you can prove it, lock him up — maybe we can save money and put him beside trump, they can share ideas how to commit fraud together.

But it’s still Hunter, and not Joe

 

Very good.
It has nothing to do with what I posted but you at least got that part right.
So you were just ignoring receiving and distributing 24 million dollars tax free, without reporting it to the IRS, was just fine and dandy with the IRS?

I don't have too. THey already have the accounts and wh took money from them.

Was there a product or service Hunter was providing for this 24 million that neither Hunter or Joe have provided in their defense?
Do tell.

 

"But if you can prove it, lock him up"
Ain't his job .... it is the very duty and job who we pay handsomely.... The Federal Dept. of INVESTIGATION...
show us the honest DOJ investigation into the Biden family by the corrupt DOJ who has non stop covered up for Biden for years now...
And YES it is Joe..... Joe does not have to receive money to be involved in bribery and influence peddling. Just selling the "brand" is all it takes and we have plenty of evidence showing that... pictures and testimony is all it takes...

 

Already answered.

Joe doesn’t have to provide a defense because y’all don’t even have anything to accuse him of because Russian propaganda while screaming about his son.

How’s that impeachment inquiry looking?