Proof that Illegals Are Not Taking Jobs From Americans...

Have the wages really declined or has our spending been out of control?

Few others on Earth live like Americans! Why do we live in $200K 2000 square foot homes when we can live in $50K smaller homes? Why do we buy new and newer cars when we can get from point A to B with a 10-15 year old car? Why do we pay so much for stupid clothes and shoes and jewelry? How do we justify the horrendous amounts spent on entertainment? I can go on all day about the non-essential crap we spend our money on!

What you don't understand about others around the world is that if they are living in cardboard houses, maybe they do so with 1000's others, and this is a normal way of life for them. Many of these people probably feel fortunate to have a place to live...even if it's cardboard. Regarding these people, for them to weave baskets all day for $3 is tantamount to you winning the lottery. It was not that long ago in the USA that I can remember making $.75/hour and look where we are today. Others are just 50 years behind us and will go through all the stupid over-consumption and inflation crap we did.

Many of us need to adopt the mentality that we can actually live on less, that we don't always need more, that we don't need to be jealous about the Jones, that we should be saving 25% of our incomes, and focus on finding happiness in this paradigm shift...

 

You say you're a Farmer. What are your crops?

 

Its a fact that Americans wages have come down. Most people don't see it because its a slow process. From what I have read from your post,you have been around for a while. In the early days a person could receive multiple raises a year. Usually a cost of living raise of 3% to 7%. Then additional merit raise a couple of times a year in the vicinity of 3% to 7%. Today you are very lucky to get a 3% cost of living wage increase. The people who leave jobs for what ever reason are replaced with people that start out Lower than the original person did. You said you made .75 cents an hr. I do believe you did as many many people did at one time. But did you pay $5 for a bag of sugar,$4 a gallon for fuel for your tractor,$50,000 for a house,$20,000 for a car or a movie for $9 bucks...Of course you didn't. You have to look at what that nonessential crap does for Americans. A lot of it is job creation,that results in more taxes for the state.


Many people today including myself have reduced there spending.How much would you really reduce in your spending? Do you really want to live in a cardboard box with your family?

 

Your comments above exemplify precisely why the USA is so screwed! You and others have a 'can't do' attitude which serves zero purpose to anyone. The difference between you and me is that if I was a teenager today, and I understood that I must manage my life on $5/hour wages, I would figure out how to make it happen. You focus on health insurance but please identify how many of us earning up to $15/hour have health insurance?

And here's a fact jack; You and America need to figure out how to compete globally, how to greatly increase exports, how to compete with China, because if you don't, what will be left for you to produce? Instead of $5/hour potential there will be no job potential and only so many of you can cry to mommy government for support before government fails.

One last fact; The USA is already having trouble competing, losing more to offshore every day, and your response is to hang onto higher wages, probably even demanding more wages, which will just put the last nail in the US manufacturing coffin. If you don't believe this to be true, then please help me understand which industries and products are going to create tens of millions of middle-class paying jobs, and sustain those jobs for years?

 

It doesn't make any difference what my crops are, but I live in northern CA...you figure it out...

 

One huge reason we are in big trouble today is because of all those cost-of-living and merit increases you mention. This causes massive inflation because we spend all of those raises and then some. China and others are going through this identical process today!

Low wages and low consumer prices, then higher wages then higher consumer prices, and it's a vicious cycle in which we want more, then we need more money, and when we get it we want even more, and on and on and on! So here we are today crying about not having enough money and still wanting more...this process cannot possibly be sustained!

Somewhere along the line, either voluntary or more than likely involuntary, the collective we must reduce our cost of living. In order to do this, we need to drain our brain and start over with new thinking. It's not easy and most of us cannot do it. Therefore, whatever mode we are in today...I see it continuing for many many years...

 

Um, I'm not saying a teen-ager can't make it on $5 / hour. They live with mom and dad.
So as long as we all live with mom and dad, your idea is just peachy. But we don't.

"Can't do" LOL okay, you're right. I think a single mom "Can't do" $5 / hour. But I get it. You trust those marvelous corporate executives to NEVER abuse the elimination of the minimum wage, to systematically drive down wages over time, until we have..... China! Woohoo!
Just like they would never poison the water. They would never knowingly sell cars that they knew in advance would cause deaths. They would never knowingly sell drugs that they knew would result in damamge and death. Nah. "The Magical Market" will take care of us!
It's cool. I've read the brochures.

 

Originally Posted by NoPartyAffiliation

He's what all businessmen are becomming...He wants to make more money by using very cheap labor.

 

There is the argument that, "Illegals are doing the jobs Americans are unwilling to do", but what about their children? Will they too be willing to also do those low paying jobs that their parents did, or will they demand something better? If the latter, will there be enough good paying jobs to go around?

 

That explains your thoughts.

 

The problem with China is not that stuff is to high. Its because most of Chinas people don't make a livable wage. Thats why you hear about the company's in China saying that if the people complain about there wage they will move it to another area of China or Asia where the labor is cheap. People in China are getting fed up with low wages that can not sub stain there livelihood.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ch...its-shanghai-protest-over-surging-fuel-costs-


LOL...As if Americans are not cutting back...!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147983/Americans-Cutting-Back-Slightly-Less-Summer-Starts.aspx

In your mind you want Americans to live like Mexicans.While you live above them.

 

This is a good example of the problem of the future.

 

Here are some first hand accounts of illegals taking jobs from americans.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...o.html?jid=985377&lid=9&rid=16866&tid=1125800

 

Yes more proof...yet pro-immigration still refuses to admit to it.

 

There are not enough jobs today so why worry about the future?

The US allows about one million legal immigrants each year to come into the USA, many or most of them will be taking jobs.

If you can believe the US Census Bureau, they are forecasting another 90 million of US population growth by 2050. This is about 2.3 million per year and you can assume at least 75% of these will be taking jobs.

Illegal immigration, regarding jobs in the future, is the least of our worries...

 

I only read the first article in your referenced story and it's all BS! Here's a quote from the first one; "The ‘help’ was always illegal aliens, working for lower wages and not burdened by things such as workers' compensation, taxes, or wages above the minimum wage." Please explain how this unemployed person knew that ALL the workers were illegal? How does he know the wages they were receiving? How does he know taxation was not being withheld? The answer is he is making assumptions!

BTW; Let's assume that there are illegals with jobs that this guy wants. Why can't that guy compete with those illegals? Why can't he talk to the hiring boss and convince them that he will work harder, and smarter than illegals?

 

LOL...At a time in the USA where jobs (millions) are being shipped to China,India and Mexico . How can people in the future after the population grows beyond the job positions. Just look at today compared to 1990. In that 20 year period the unemployment rate has increased and the wages have decreased. What some of the biggest factors in that time period?

And another thing,the illegals that are allowed are only part of the problem. You have the ones who are still illegal and the the hundreds of thousands of visa workers.

 

Just look at you on this opinion. You have said repeatedly you have to go to some kind of worker hall thingy to get workers. Usually employers who use such places like temp services and employment agency's are not willing to pay a worker a fair wage with benefits. Like you said if you pay a worker a fare wage your crop prices will go up and folks won't buy them. But when was the last time someone saved 10 cents on a head of lettuce or a pint of strawberries . Your just like everyone else (business owner)who wants to hire cheap labor. And a likely place to find that kind of person is a illegal immigrant.

 

No offense TRS but this is just ignorance of the real life situation...at least my real life situation.

Yes I do get laborers from the local labor hall.

You need to understand business; a company might have full time employees or perhaps only part-time employees or a mixture of both. I hire workers based solely on the amount of labor hours needed. And if you could understand farming, you will know that most of the workers are day laborers or part-timers because sometimes there's nothing to do and other times it's balls to the wall work. It is not uncommon to need 10 workers one day and 0 the next! This hiring has ZERO to do with the wage. In every single case, I ask the workers how much they would like to be paid and I always pay what they ask.

I have NEVER mentioned anything about a "fare wage". I pay what the demand and supply dictates...period. I don't care if it's fair or not! I only care that I get work done and the worker gets what they asked for.

The last underlined statement in your comments above is pure BS. I wish you and others could get your sorry asses from your computer, go to the labor hall in my area, and you do the fricken hiring! I hire whomever is available and I DO NOT decide the wages as long as they are reasonable. We, for example, pay $12/hour for unskilled workers to do weed-whacking...nearly a 100% unskilled job position. Just how much DO YOU believe an unskilled worker should earn? And if you say $20/hour, but there are 100's others willing to do the identical work for $12/hour, I would be stupid to pay $20/hour...

 

"There's a labor shortage alright... of workers willing to accept rock bottom wages while relying on welfare to supplement their pitiful wages!"

 

Without being too harsh here; why are many people earning less than $15/hour?

I suspect that 99% of the time the reason is that they don't have enough education/work skills to advance beyond menial labor positions.

If a person does not like their $10/hour wages, why don't they set in motion some type of action that will eventually allow them to demand higher wages?

If a person is not capable of moving beyond menial type work, doesn't this explain why they earn the lowest pay?

The American Dream used to be 'if I get some education, and work hard, and stay out of trouble, I can obtain a quality life in the USA'. Today the American Dream seems to be 'I want everything and don't ask me to put forth any effort to earn it'.

Lastly...why do so-called Americans (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan about immigrants taking the worst jobs for the lowest pay? I expect true Americans to have higher aspirations!!!!!!!!