Proof that Illegals Are Not Taking Jobs From Americans...

I do blame the government for many immigration issues . The point that I'm making is pro-immigration groups use myths to try and smooth over the actual failures of illegal immigration. Pro-immigration use quotes like " Illegal immigration keeps cost of food down by providing low skilled and low wages for crop growers"". I made the point that that head of lettuce keeps going up.

Oldmanonfire said why don't people demand higher wages. In the same way why don't he demand fewer regulations,rather hire cheap illegal immigration.

 

Sorry but from my perspective your comments above are just a diatribe and therefore I have no comments.

 

OMOF never said this...do not take my words out of context!!!

I've grown bored with the ignorance on this topic from those of you who don't understand business, don't understand the global economy, and have zero first-hand experience.

Do you know how much less farming is done in the USA today versus 10-20 years ago?

Do you know the produce which YOU purchase at your local stores on average travels 1500 miles?

Do you know a huge percentage of the produce YOU buy comes from outside the US? With zero regulations! With illegal immigrants!

If you could possibly fathom the above questions and ascertain some answers, you will see that if US farmers cannot compete, ALL of the produce will come from outside the US! As long as there are millions of immigrants in the USA, whether they are legal or illegal, who are willing to work in farming, in which supply of unskilled labor is much higher than demand, which means lower wages for everyone, we have what we have today. And this works just fine for everyone except those like YOU who are on your self-serving mission trying to solve problems you can't even identify with faulty solutions...

 

That is the same kind of answer I get from pro-immigration group rallys....

Always in denial...

 

Enough said about that !

 

For about a million reasons...

 

he shouldn't have to convince the employer that he will work harder than someone here illegally. The employer should not even be considering illegals for employment. Period.

There are many illegal aliens and "anchor" children here right now (children born from people here illegally) that are in school, many times paying less for their education than citizens, who are studying for real careers, not your typical landscaper or restaurant dishwasher jobs that we find most illegals at. I'm talking about engineering, nursing, veterinarian, architect, etc. That is a major problem in a country who's unemployment is above 12% and rising daily. For those who don't understand why it's a problem, quite simply those US citizens now have to compete with even more people to get a job.

On the other hand, show me an American that will wash dishes or do landscaping for 8-10 bucks an hour. Raise your hand (or post) if you are unemployed and would do either of these jobs.

So there are two sides to this problem.

 

The primary reason...Just one or two will be fine.

 

I agree with this statement but what about the people who bust their ass, get the degree, and then get out and can't find work because a company refuses to hire someone who doesn't have real world experience. Or because they are outsourcing. So now you have a person who has thousands of dollars in student loans who has to take a low level job and will live at poverty levels while debt piles up on them. College is also more expensive than it used to be.

 

Its very sad to see Americans who really work hard for the dream,just to see it sink in the mud. I remember a time an American would get a degree in education,then get a job knowing the company would finish training them. Those days are pretty much gone.

 

There is no primary reason...reductions in employment are rooted from lots of causes...

 

Don't understand what you are trying to say??

Are you saying people should minimize their education? Or not bust their ass?

Look, and this has always been the general case in our economy, is that we always have more workers than we have jobs. Common sense will tell you that this means workers must compete for their jobs. This further means in some areas it might take much longer to find a job. Who says a college graduate must find a job in a few days, or with their first application? I suggest that seeking a job, and landing a job, and keeping that job, is one of the most critical things we do in our life...

 

If everyone knows how the job market has and is changing, then everyone should also know that seeking employment is different today, and different tomorrow, than it was a few decades ago...

 

Yes thats correct as its from lots of causes. But the primary reason is cost saving.

 

The point I'm making a long with a couple of other post I made is,that the US for decades maybe even a century have always created a job from the low end of the pole with in its own worker population.

Let me explain it like this. In the past an America worked from the ground up(digging a ditch,clean a toilet,busting table ect...).Or in simple words a non-skilled job.The company would take time to train that person to do the next job (forklift driver,mill operator,tool and die operator etc...).Eventually that person would advance threw hard work,training,and promotions to management,CEO and so forth.Then that process repeated its self over and over.

In essence Americans rotated jobs for its next worker.

Today that process is gone,broken . You have an illegal thats doing those unskilled jobs that my son,your son and Americans fathers sons could be doing.

I'm not saying that there are other problems that have contributed to it also. Outsourcing of American jobs are to blame to.

The US does not have enough jobs in this country to let foreigners and its citizens to work at a job. So something has to give. Since outsourcing of jobs most likely won't change,the US has got to slow the influx of workers into the job market.

 

No, I am not saying people should minimize their education. I am saying companies need to stop outsourcing and give college grads a chance. Companies need to stop expecting to hire a person who knows every single thing about the job. Humans are not born knowing everything there is to know and even college can't teach one everything they need to know about a company because every company is different. Life is a learning experience.

We have more workers than we do jobs because the federal government refuses to stop people from coming here illegally, and because of outsourcing. Those are the two main problems. The third main problem is Americans who have been brainwashed and programmed into believing that they are the next American idol or music superstar. They watch too much tv and are spoiled brats.

Trs made an extremely important point when he mentioned that jobs used to rotate, and that a person would start off at the bottom, then be promoted thus a new position opens for a person entering that company, and a person looking to advance.

No, not no matter who holds that job. A person that is here illegally does not deserve a job. Do you always pardon lawbreakers? Do you pardon people who steal, rape and murder too?

I understand the issue is two sided. I understand that many Americans think they are above doing labor jobs. I acknowledge that. But that doesn't mean that it makes it ok for people to be here illegally.

You made mention to property taxes, in what context I do not recall, but if you are referring to them paying tax, it is small in comparison to the income that illegals skip out on paying.

For the record, I would plant and pick strawberries. I like the out doors, I enjoy nature and I do not feel I am above a labor position. In fact, I believe it is a honorable job to be able to help provide food for families across America. And 90* heat is easy in comparison to the heat that I experience everyday in phoenix.

The only issue I have with planting and picking, farming, is it gets monotonous, doing the same thing over and over everyday for 365 days might drive me mad. Plus theres not a lot of skill required and i would tire of no challenge and growth. If I was able to move around within the company/farm I think that would make the job more desirable.

 

Incorrect; the primary reason is a lack of demand on the products/services.

Correct; Employers want more workers; not less workers. More workers equals more output equals more sales equals more profits.

 

As usual your contradicting yourself again. In you own words you should be hiring hundreds of workers so you sell more of your product.But yet you go to the labor halls and hire (most likely illegals)temp workers.EPIC FAIL...

 

Hiring people does not increase sales...like I have said too many of you have no idea how business operates.

What is wrong with hiring day-laborers??

Nice that YOU ASSUME they are 'most likely illegals'...when in fact you don't know squat...