Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

I take their word over yours...

 

Many myopic Canadian sycophants would agree with you.

 

Their tenacity will serve, at the very least, to garner more support around the world and within Israel itself. Not all Israelis are racist fascists.

 

Allegiance said: As an Israeli, I do not favor any side of the controversy because it is truly unfair.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I too would prefer to be neutral but time is on the side of Israel. Consider the British on the Rock of Gibraltar. Spain seeks to remove them from the occupied territory; but 300 years of occupation now stands in favor of the British. Occupation for purposes of National defense is a valid argument; but time is a powerful ally.

Allegiance is right. All the know issues are subject to settlement. But when time is on one side or the other there will be no settlement. On this point, the Israelis and Palestinians share common ground. In this conflict, neither side has a lasting interest in a permanent settlement. If and when the tide turns, the Palestinians will gladly become the occupiers. But until then, time is on the side of Israel.

A solution to this intractable conflict must be imposed from the outside. Just as Israel was imposed on Palestine, a permanent arrangement with international guarantees will have to be imposed on the parties to this conflict. The world community created this problem and the world community is obligated to fix this problem. The United States may prefer to mediate a solution based on local negotiation. But this approach has failed and will continue to fail as long as time is on one side or the other. The United States should acknowledge this reality and join the world community to impose a settlement with guarantees to both sides.

 

The US of AIPAC does what it's told as a committed supporter of Zionist criminality. You surely can't still believe, after its actions at the UN, that it is impartial or fit in any way to be a broker ?

 

Yes, that is why the only long term solution is one state for all inhabitants, the return of all expelled native Semites to their homes, and big reparations paid by the Zionist entity to all victims of Nakba.

The separate Palestinian state can only be a temporary solution.

 

I agree that 'time is a powerful ally'.
However, there is a chasm of difference between Gibraltar and Israel, which in fact serves to prove a point.

Gibraltar: Captured with Dutch/Austrian help on behalf of Archduke Charles, one of the heads of a divided Spain, during the War of Spanish Succession, in effect a civil war in Spain. The war was concluded by the Peace of Utrecht in 1713 with Philip V of Spain's representation. Included was Spain's ceding of Gibraltar to Britain. Good stuff: War --> Peace treaty --> Conditions.

Palestine/Israel: Founded, not from civil war, but from immigration against the will of the local people, and cemented by unilateral declaration of independence is violation of international law, but nonetheless later approved by the UN. No peace treaty ever concluded within Palestine. Various peace offers made but all rejected.

Big Difference

 

Israel has existed for just sixty years- all of them a struggle with rightfully angered neighbors. 12% of the world's population are older than Israel- and many of them will, I hope, see an end to Zionism. The opposition is strengthening , the rule of law has become indispensable and communications are accelerating.

 

blah blah blah blah, opposition to the Israelites will bring about your own demise.

 

Opposing the faults of some Israelites helps the better ones to prosper. The lack of opposition to faults is actually what is more likely to result in the demise you mentioned. Israel is thus likely suffering from your fear of criticizing its faults.

 

Why?

are they 'chosen' ?

 

Because some people need to think that Nazis and Jews are "superior" to other human beings, as Slyhunter seems to suggest.

 

As I understand it, "the chosen people" refers to a belief by some that the ancient Jews were "chosen by God" to inform others that there was only one God. We know the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans believed in many gods. And it does appear the ancient Jews were the first human culture to profess and practice monotheism, i.e., a one God theology.

According to this belief, the ancient Jews were "chosen" in that sense only, i.e., chosen to deliver a message. The term "chosen" does not equate to superior, preferred, special or anything other than "messenger". Moreover, "chosen people" refers to the ancient Jews who are said to have been the first to profess and practice monotheism.

If this is the case, it cannot be said that modern Jews are "chosen" in any sense whatsoever! Personally, I do not believe the ancient Jews were "chosen" any more that the first culture to use a written language was "chosen" to use a written language. The introduction of a cultural belief or invention is merely an accident of human cultural evolution. No human culture is, was or ever will be "chosen"!

 

The only way a Palestine should exist, is if they conquer or buy land from another country, sort of the way its always been done. That's how every country comes to be. You can't just demand land that you "think" you deserve. Makes about as much sense as a bunch of tribes in the US demanding back a bunch of states because they "think" they own them. Didn't Rome once hold a good chunk of Europe a long time ago=) Now would be a great time to demand it all back, right?

 

In this case, Israel must treat Palestinians as being equal citizens of Israel, unless it wishes to continue being an apartheid regime. On the otherhand, if Israel wishes to continue receiving free money from the American taxpayer, then it needs to accept the nation of Palestine. I doubt that Americans are going to be very supportive of their taxpayer money being used to finance an apartheid regime.

 

Listen to Pat Condell the British satirist explaining the situation.

The great Palestinian lie

http://youtu.be/j1N1zhUm84w

 

Convincing a Zionist extremist to accept Palestinians is no different from convincing a Nazi-loyalist to love Jews, in the sense that it can't be done. The sooner that the American taxpayer realizes this, the sooner that they'll stop being misused by Guilt Complex abuse.

 

Well at least we agree on something...

Pat Condell has many many clips... I urge people to watch/listen to them even if Israel and the Arabs are not included in some...

The man is a pioneer in satire... listen/watch and enjoy his sharp repartee.

Also for your enjoyment,

Useful ------ for Palestine
http://youtu.be/LeGYAfh9A1k

Sharia poster boy
http://youtu.be/CwDo1uB-CBk

Pat Condell on the idiocy of Islam
http://youtu.be/HSeZcCnNoiA

 

Welcome, Prof. A professor of what, may I ask ?

 

Wiki describes Condell as - ' an insulting, degenerate racist ' Do you know him personally ?

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...1OmnBw&usg=AFQjCNF4pYHGhpbR00H0_N8ZfNVcctunuA

 

Perhaps so, however there are millions who'd disagree. I'm no expert on the subject but I've been told that according to
the " Sedur (Jewish prayer book).

Their daily prayer translates :

"Blessed are you, Hashem, King of the Universe, for not having made me a Gentile."

"Blessed are you, Hashem, King of the Universe, for not having made me a slave."

Blessed are you, Hashem, King of the Universe, for not having made me a woman."

Apparently - this prayer is said every morning by millions ofobservant Jews around the world.

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What does that say abt Gentiles + women or even the unfortunate females - gentile or the (wage) slave ? hmmm.



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HAHAHA - Bender - Tell us you're dont seriously regard Pat Condell as an intellectually capable authority on Palestinians , do you ? The guy is nothing more than a fekking third rate - clown - a comedian and not all that successful either.

Go read this from an academic instead :






by Shlomo Sand professor of history at Tel Aviv University.

or just WATCH - LISTEN AND LEARN :


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EmvANgw9Mk"]Shlomo Sand: Challenging notions of a Jewish People - YouTube[/ame]




cHEERS .



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I agree. Israel's future lies in Palestinian Statehood. The dumb schmucks preventing Palestinian Statehood are killing Israel.

 

Indeed! And it seems that the PAL/Hamas terrorist huggers think that Palestine is a real nation already! The FACTS are that Israel is a UN recognized nation and has been for over fifty years! They whine UN this and UN that while forgetting that Israel is a UN sanctioned nation. Palestine is not and never has been a nation. When the terrorist huggers will not admit even that isn't it obvious they are not interested in truth?

Rev A

 

You clearly don't understand the term ' nation '. Please invoke further laughter by endeavoring to explain that you do.