Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    This thread is the invited continuation of the previous two, both of which exceeded the forum page limit.


    The neoZionist response, so far, has been to announce further illegal squat construction. That's apart from the Palestinians they've killed and the olive groves they've uprooted since the Statehood bid was accepted.


    Full details of this week's neoZionist terrorism are available here;
    http://tinyurl.com/5rkt9qj
     
  2. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Palestine can only be established by war. However, such a war would be so ferocious that the land and people would be destroyed. Palestine and Israel are locked in a dance of death in which both peoples will be destroyed.
     
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    Much like Israel, both the invented Biblical version, and the modern one, were established by war, then.

    Better both were destroyed imo, than Israel be left to control the USA and rule the world through AIPAC....because the more I study Zionism, the more it scares the crap out of me.

    I'd have hated to live in Nazi Germany, but, and I don't bloody care who I offend, living in Zionist controlled Israel is only different in degree to Nazi-ism....not in basic ideology and I'd have hated that as well.

    Would any of you who are so irrationally pro-Israel/Zionism and so quick to shout anti-semitism at those of us who compare Nazi ideology with the Zionism as practised in Israel from Mandate days care to explain to me/us the differences in nuance between Hitlers "Master Race" and the Zionist version (note, not the whole world Jewish community version) of "the Chosen People?
     
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    A good read;

     
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    OK , so the US of AIPAC didn't try to block the review. That's possibly a response to the neoZionists' announcement of more land theft in Jerusalem. Uncle was not impressed.
     
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    Uncle Sam needs a new foreign policy. It's quite silly to reject the nation of Palestine while allowing Israeli illegal settlement expansions to continue. Obama should campaign to become the next president of Israel:

    ‘Post’ poll finds surge in Obama popularity in Israel
    http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=239816
     
  7. creation

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    Uncle Sam doesnt give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Palestinians or anyone else unless they provide them with either money, votes or kill them in large numbers.

    This is why their position as leader of the free world based on their number of battlegroups is untenable and soon to end as they collapse under the weight of their own hypocrisy.
     
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    A consequence to be hoped for and celebrated by all those who are completely hacked off at the actions and influence of the US of Paranoia and Warmongering on the world.

    Israel is the USA lite..and between the two, they undoubtedly will trigger WWIII and the end of life as we know it..because nobody is trying to stop them.

    And you know something, even if I have been vapourised and am not alive to see it, what rises in the world from the ashes of USA and Israeli arrogance may not be any better, but sure as Hades it cannot possibly be any worse.
     
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    Are you guys familiar with the Myth of Sisyphus? :)
     
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    How far will you take this issue ?
    I have seen many posts over this ongoing controversy.Seemingly,it is very easy to resolve the dissent points between israel and palestine.But by investigating profoundly into the issue (something most of us have not done yet),it is pretty simple to figure out how complicated this issue is.There is a lot of people who think there is just one side that needs mellow and compassion,it is obviously wrong.
    Israel also desires calmness and advancements.
    As an israeli,I do not favour any side of the controversy because it is truly unfair.
     
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    The Israeli concept of a Jewish state is irreconcilable with the Palestinian concept of the right of return. One side will win and the other side will disappear into the mists of time.
     
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    Or alternatively, they will have negotiations and come up with a compromise with which both sides can live.
     
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    This is the nightmare scenario, for people such as Albert Borat HBendor etc etc here.
     
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    They've got assurances of 8 votes of the required 9, though of course the USA is expected to (rightly) veto.
     
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    I actually am in favor of giving the Palestinians statehood, but they are missing several important elements usually used in international law.

    1 . They have no contiguous boundaries or defined boundaries. If you use the pre Six Days War boundaries, Gaza is still separate from the West Bank. This is due to the events from 1947 on, but it is a real legal impediment.

    2. They have no unified governing body. The Palestinian Authority is in charge of the Palestinian areas of the West Bank and it is controlled by Fatah. The Gaza strip is controlled by Hamas, which has created an extra-legal authority using its original elections to the Palestinian Authority while generally refusing to submit to any outside control.

    3. They are overdue for elections, so if they are a state they are apparently a non-democratic state. Approving dictatorships is not normally a popular United Nations activity (at least not without greasing some palms.
     
  16. moon

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    If Palestine has no borders then neither does Israel.
    Palestine is only two separate enclaves because the Zionists have forcibly- and of course illegally- separated them.


    There is a world of difference between your slanted ' submission to control ' and bi-partisan agreement. All democracies have opposition parties. In addition, Palestine is Occupied Territory. You've got a nerve suggesting that the rules of free democracy should apply.

    ' Dictatorship ' now, is it ? :mrgreen: Again, Palestine is occupied- a fact that clearly requires repeated reinforcement for you- but even so has demonstrated sufficient dignity to garner the support of well over two thirds of the world's States at the United Nations- without spending one US of AIPAC dollar on bribes.
     
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    LOL, I hear that argument sometimes... except Israel's borders do exist, they are with Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

    Jordan invaded the West Bank despite an agreement not to during the 67 war, once all those Arab nations made it clear of their intentions it came down to a war and when war's end the borders are set. Stop trying to take advantage of the Israeli compassion in letting the Palestinians try to create their own existance despite them not choosing to accept the outcome of the war and instead spending decades conducting a continuation of the war as a terrorist campaign.
     
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    Not according to international law- and that's what counts, old chap. Otherwise the Palestinians could unilaterally declare their State to be the whole of Palestine and we could all start accepting neoZionist refugees tomorrow. Want some ?
     
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    yes

    Arabs time and patience is running out for a two state solution

    soon the Arabs will have no choice but to go for one state so the USA should keep that in mind
     
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    Would it be fair for Palestine to include all of the West Bank, Gaza and all of Israel south of the most northern part of Gaza in exchange that Israel gets W. Jerusalem? This way, both nations would be connected.
     
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