NJ Robber Dies After Trying to Steal Phone from Former HS Wrestler

Well, if I felt myself and my friend were in danger, as one of us had already been assaulted by the robber, and at that point, I don't know if he is armed, I would also not let go of him so he couldn't harm us. I'm a 2nd degree black belt, I guess I would be guilty of murder if my hold on him would've killed him?

 

It is speculation, but unless their is some absolutley ridiculous size and strength disparity, it's almost impossible to kill someone with your standard headlock. The pressure is usually on your head and face/jaw. If it's on the neck cutting off the air or blood, it's a choke. And it's easy to tell when someone is unconscious due to being choked out, his body went limp, and he kept the choke on for a while, long enough to kill him. It's murder because he didn't let go after he was out.

It would be a different situation if he knocked him down with a punch or slammed him to the ground, and he died due to the impact of hitting the ground, that wouldn't be murder. Holding a choke on an already unconscious man for an extended period of time is.

 

If he was already a strong person and had a huge surge of adrenaline and rapidly hooked the criminal around the neck with his forearm, perhaps he unintentionally used enough force to completely break the tracheal cartilage and/or separate the trachea from the larynx. If so, the criminal could have died from this injury, even if the victim relaxed pressure on the neck.

 

Still speculation. You have to prove this wrestler meant to choke this man to death. I don't know how you do that.

 

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Just as so many want to outlaw CCL, I guess we should outlaw self-defense classes, since that too would be unfair and unequal to the criminal.

For God's sake whatever you do --- be the victim!

 

Sorry, but that won't apply for two reasons. From what I see in the article, the man wasn't protecting his possessions in house. Second, NJ doesn't have a castle law.

 

Good choke.

 

Yes. Snatching a cell phone from your wife's hand is also considered assault.

 

There's something either not stated or seriously wrong with the description of events. No way is a individual, lone thief going to approach two healthy men with intentions of theft as described. Even a prepatrator known for quick running is not going to put themself in jeopardy with two unless they're elderly or infirmed in some manner. We may never know what truly happened but it assuredly didn't go down as portrayed.

 

True. The cops consider this to be so if you grab a phone away from someone who is calling for police assistance.

Bottom line is that headlocks do not kill. Choke holds do. And if this guy was being choked, then it is also highly likely that the perpetrator tried to tap out, which is the universal signal for "I give up". If he tapped out and the wrestler kept choking him well after the perpetrator slipped into unconsciousness, then it is murder. Nothing burns me up more than someone hitting another person when they're down, regardless of their crime.

 

The wrestler did nothing wrong. A criminal is no longer polluting society.

It should be legal to simply kill robbers, no questions asked.

 

Gee whiz, dude! They don't even do that in Egypt. They just cut the thief's hands off and send him on his stumpy, merry way.

 

Of course you misread it, Bill. None of us are surprised when confirmation bias manifests itself in inattention to critical details.

 

I don't understand why some are up-in-arms about cases like this. If society was fully permissive and understanding about situations like this - and they were advertised completely - there would be much less crime: criminals would be far more afraid to act. Handwringing about things like this weaken a society's ability to protect itself; not strengthen it.

Being unapologetic about deaths like this, and advertising the result, is a great way to avoid other people - like this dumbass Davis - from dying.

 

Sure we do,

Every person has the right to resist crime.

This could have been avoided if Davis has not tried to steal someones cell phone.

 

Love it when the armchair quarterbacks crawl out from under their rocks.

According you you I guess they should have waited till the guy came back with a gun and blew their brains out for the cell phone.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

Hahahahaha

 

Yes. You have to wait for your life to be in actual imminent danger before you have the right to kill someone. Why is that surprising?

 

And how would you determine "imminent danger?" Cause it's kind of hard to do when you're DEAD! or there's a knife plunged into your sternum..

I guess we have to wait for that to defend ourselves....

 

I don't think the two men meant to kill the other man. If they were wrestlers, they likely didn't know their own strength.

 

Not true in many states (offhand, Florida & Texas).

 

Am I a liberal for thinking this guy used excessive force?

 

This is why you don't mess with wrestlers(real wrestlers, not that WWE crap).

If someone has ears that look like this, you shouldn't mess with them:

 

We're talking New Jersey here.