How Do You Discourage People From Having Premarital (& extramarital) Sex

Yeah, because the days of the great depression must have been so wonderful. I wonder who had a higher survival rate during the depression, those who received assistance, or those that were too proud and would rather starve.

How did you pay for the land you farm on?
When during his hunting and gathering life would he have had time to go find a paying job?
How would he have been able to get medical care for his newborn?

I only saw them once as the Dead. Individually, I've seen Mickey heart, Phil Lesh, and Bob Weir a bunch of times, and I've seen Further three times. I'm not a really dedicated Deadhead or whatever, but theyre one of my favorites. I've seen Moe. more than anyone other band by a longshot.

 

LOL.

Having sex is not any impedement to study. LOL

Obviously the nonsense of not having sex before marriage is so ridiculous today. We are not anymore in the I century. We are in the XXI century, and the religious nonsense does not have any more sense.

Listen this extremist religious bull(*)(*)(*)(*) makes me puke.

 

I've got an outhouse, not functioning, and a wood stove, very much functioning.

What's your point?

 

To equate the growth of the large state apparatus with technological achievement is a misnomer. It implies one could not have happened without the other. A falsehood. Our large state was put in place by crony capitalists, for crony capitalists. Innovation sits on shelves to protect corporate interests. Sure. one could argue technology that stems from military, but being military is paid for with tax dollars, funding the research grants that end up patents for private interests to make all the profits on, it is more of an example to what I'm saying than what you're implying.

 

Many of the ways people survived in the GD, don't exist for a great many.
You just can't walk out in the street and shoot the 1st animal that comes along so you can eat.
Well you could, go to jail, get 3 squares and a room. And the child will also be taken care of.

 

Women who have had their future ruined by getting pregnant while in school are now in the 10s of millions. It is easy to think you could get an abortion until you actually have to. If you care for this young woman, you would cation her, not encourage reckless sexual experimentation. Remember Leo, the guy can always bail and finish his schooling. No hard choices in his corner.

 

If there was a way, it would already have been done ages ago.

Even under threat of death, people do it.

 

If one wished to keep the sanity of 'religious' marriage, then they should have never forced the term 'marriage' into our legal system. Then and only then would they have any right to tell anyone else what one is or is not allowed to do in their marriage.

You cannot judge a marriage on a purely religious definition any longer, it has become too far entrenched in our legal system to do so. I do not subscribe to the "religious" definition of marriage, in fact, I'd personally stay single except that the "legal" aspect practically required us to get married if we wish to share our lives...

Should my 'partner' be denied the right to see me at the hospital simply because I do not believe in God, because I do not subscribe to a 'religious' definition of marriage? Yet, that is the way our government has set it up. And there are many other examples across the board from money to the very real emotions of children; who truly care nothing about the 'legal' or 'religious' definitions of marriage - but only their emotional ties to all of their parents, be it biological or legally declared...

 

My grandparents and great grandparents all lived through the Great Depression, as well as many great uncles and aunts and their cousins... all of whom instilled on me as a child to SAVE MONEY and refuse government assistance... and they were correct. The government will make you a slave.

Frank Zappa, Miles Davis and Gil Evans here... and I've seen them all live.

 

I'd love to see some stats on the ratio of young women who are sexually active to young women who actually fall pregnant.

 

It didnt make him a slave, though. He was on assistance for about 6 months, split between trying to find a job and being laid off. He's off of it now and has a good job. His situation would be dramatically worse at this point if he didnt get assistance.

I saw dweezil or however you spell it once.

 

You're not very creative, another problem with the US nowadays. There's urban farming, back in the GD/WWII days they were called "victory gardens." My sister lives in a suburban community and her kids raise laying hens under their deck (about 30 hens) and they have a nice little egg business going.

People have no imagination anymore... the state has killed it.

 

Well without assistance my friend would have had no land to farm on, or a deck to keep chickens under. All of his time would have been preoccupied with gathering food and he wouldnt have had the time (or the car for that matter) to go out looking for work.

Further more, he would have inevitably ended up breaking laws like trespassing, fishing without a liscence, hunting out of season, possibly shoplifting, endangering the welfare of a child, etc.

 

50-60 years of women in higher education regularly? World wide? You don't think the number is the 10s of millions? 100s of millions have gone. Plus, getting pregnant in high school sure counts to this topic. If anything, 10s of millions was being kind.

Fact is leftist, I don't see humans as a numbers game. I'm thinking of Leo2 as an obviously bright young woman, with the world at her disposal. There are plenty of women to raise a family. She will do what she wants. That is fact. But a word to the wise is still a word to the wise. Waiting until you're 23, what does that leave, only 50-60 years to (*)(*)(*)(*)? Dear God no. One can't be expected to wait 5 years when the outcome could be the difference between an excellent life vs a shabby one.

 

Say your friend couldn't get government assistance, would he have tried harder to make ends meet or would he have starved... or resorted to crime?

I had the chance to see Dweezil but opted for BB King instead. Dweezil is an awesome guitar player, some say better than his dad... but I object.

 

What about the people who find your values offensive and don't like you practicing them?

Didn't those things lead to war in the past?

 

he would have desperately wanted a job, no doubt. But when would he have had the opportunity to go out looking if he was constantly collecting food for 3 people? How would he have been able to go find a job if he didn't have the money to keep a car? What decent jobs are going to hire someone that has no adress, no phone, and no car.

He didn't want to be on assistance. It made him feel like a bum, but it was the only practical way to make sure his kid and girlfriend were taken care of, while giving him the opportunity and ability to go look for work.

I don't remeber it. It was at a festival, and I know I was there for it, but I don't remember the show. That's why I don't drink at music festivals anymore.

 

Alright, I missed that post so you answered my questions.

Your friend was on assistance for six months? And couldn't find a job? And couldn't figure a way to grow food?

Lack of creativity...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8yYO4L2vegE

 

Six moths broken up. Not all at once. He was on it while looking for work, got laid off about a year/ year and a half later, and was on it for a short time again.

Where do you grow food if you dont have anywhere to live? He would have had no land to grow food on.

He could have found work at a place like McDonald's I'm sure, but that wouldn't pay enough to take care of a family, and then he wouldn't have qualified for assistance. He took the first decent paying job that came his way, and that took about 3 months.

 

hmmmm...lot harder in northern areas...Maine? Upstate NY? 125 growing days? eek...

 

Everyone doesn't have low libido, or paralyzing religious beliefs, or a physic that would scare off a the most horny 18 year old. . .or all three!

There is nothing wrong with experiencing sex before you are well in your 20's. There is something wrong with throwing oneself into promiscuity, with no information and no protection.

 

Upstate ny for me. If you had some survival knowledge you could get by in the colder months, but without government assistance, my friend I'm talking about would have had no land to grow food on, so the whole point is moot.

I wonder how many homeless people hoytmonger let's farm on HIS land.

 

You didn't watch the video...

So you're saying he accepted government assistance because they paid more?

Winter vegetables?

 

There are no homeless by me... the coyotes and bears would eat them.

 

I'm saying that he accepted assistance because it was the only practical way to keep his family sheltered and fed while still allowing him the time to seek a job that payed him enough so he could do it himself.

No I didnt watch the video. If its such a simple solution, then why dont you just tell me where he was supposed to set up his farm. Do you let homeless people farm on your land?