Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

Does this post mean youre willing to answer our questions? Or does it only go one way?

Lemme guess, we'll see no answer to this question.

 

What land has Israel been a theft of?? Has Israel blockaded any ports??? If so, which ones??? Aparteid??? YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!!!! I will show you what percent of the population of Israel is Arabic and then you show me what percentage of Syrea, Lebanon, Iraq, and Jordan are Jewish, o.k??? Then we will talk about aparteid.

 

You conveniently forget that there were Jews all over the Arab world for over 2000 years until European zionism entered the picture.

Get with the program.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/231429-jews-justice-palestinians.html

 

I said show me the percentage of Jewish people in Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria, Saida Arabia, and Jordan. Show me the figures!!! You will not because you can NOT. They were either killed or kicked out of all those countries in 1948. So stop with the Arab lies and speek the truth for once in your life! The numbers of people displaced and amount of private property lost because of the arab action more than doubled anything Israel did in 48' and ferther more you know it. So stop with the lies

 

Your a laugh a minute, Margot;


http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_lebanon_cairo_1969.php
On November 3, 1969, a Lebanese delegation headed by Army Commander General Emile al-Bustani, acting under the authority of the then President, Charles Helou, met with a Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) delegation, headed by Yasir Arafat, chairman of the organization. The meeting took place in Cairo in the presence of the United Arab Republic (Egyptian) Minister of Foreign Affairs Mahmud Riyad, and the War Minister, General Muhammad Fawzi. They reached an agreement that effectively endorsed PLO freedom of action in Lebanon to recruit, arm, train, and employ fighters against Israel.The Lebanese Army protected their bases and supply lines.""



The PLO sent terrorits into Israel to boom the children and women because all the combined Arab nations couldn't get the job done. And as I pointed out before, Lebanon is where a lot of their bases were located.


http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp

Oh, you don't like that sight?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip have occurred since 2001. Between 2001 and January 2009, over 8,600 rockets had been launched, leading to 28 deaths and several hundred injuries,[1][2] as well as widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life.[3]

Need I continue??


And Iraq was only after nuclear power to, right?? And then the nasty Jews attacked them and destroied there peaceful power plant, correct??? Like I said, your a laugh a minute if the issues weren't so serious.

Iran will get what it has coming if it keeps with the same track it's on.

 

There haven't been any Jews in Arabia for 1200 years.

You can look the Jewish populations up by country..

But, until 1948 there were robust Jewish communities in Libya, Egypt, Iran, Iraq and Syria..

They dribbled out in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973.

They did lose property and successful business and factories when they left and they should sue the socks off the European Zionists for wrecking their lives.

 

The bible says that the capital of the Israelites is Jerusalem. To kick the Jews out would be the equivalent of burning the bible.

 

Thus, biblical Israel died 2000 years ago, has no connection with any modern nation in existence today and the land of today belongs to its inhabitants rather than the fantasy of religious terror-hungry bigots who's greed is financed by fooled gullible American Guilt Complex members.

 

Please leave this dogmatic filth out of our arguments, the christian bible is little to do with the affairs of billions of people of varying faiths and none.

 

In your opinion. In my opinion it holds hefty weight. I repeat what I said kicking the Jews out of Israel is the same as burning the bible. You will have every Christian against you for inviolating their bible.

 

Oh Balderdash..

The Bible says no such thing..

The Bible says there will never be another Temple and Judaism will never again bear fruit.

"Woe to you false Jews!" (Revelation 2:9)

 

Im sure it has hety weight to you. But you and your christian type arent most people. Nor is the tenent of your faith provable or testable, or written as law international or otherwise.

As for christians, they dont even agree with you, so where does that leave you?

 

Slyhunter said, "The bible says that the capital of the Israelites is Jerusalem".

I don't mean to question this; but curiosity leads me to ask where in the Bible is this found?

Jerusalem as the legitimate capital of Israel is generally based on a claim of descendancy from the ancient Israelites. Present-day Israelis view themselves as heirs of the Israelites. However, contemporary DNA science tells us Israelis are not genetic descendants of the Israelites.

Nevertheless, a claim based on a unique and common cultural heritage is highly persuasive and cannot be easily dismissed. The problem is, the claim extends to all of Jerusalem including the Temple Mount. The claims of others, also based on history and cultural heritage, demand fair and objective evaluation.

Unfortunately, after several thousand years, there is no legal or academic argument that will ever decide this convoluted issue. Our best hope is to persuade the various parties to forget where they think they were and accept where they know they are! After that, third party intervention becomes the last hope for them and us!

 

Most of oriental Jews just converted to Islam or Christianity.

Today Jews are mostly descendants of non-Semitic converts, like the Turkish Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 10th century AD.

 

I just LOVE the way you minamize things. Dribbled indeed;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
From 1948 until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972.


http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/enwiki/en/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
The Jewish exodus from Arab lands refers to the 20th century expulsion or mass departure of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Islamic countries.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/world/story.html?id=ef626d33-7291-4030-ba6b-e24e202904de

Arab 'collusion' against Jews
UNITED NATIONS - New research shows there was Arab inter-state "collusion" to persecute Jews in Arab countries after Israel's creation

Then we have the question of the Arabs that left Israel in 1948;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
Nur-eldeen Masalha writes that over 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants left their towns and villages in 1948, while Rashid Khalidi puts the percentage at 50.[4][5] Factors involved in the flight include the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes,[6] the collapse in Palestinian leadership,[7] an unwillingness to live under Jewish control



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
The Palestinians left their homes in 1947-48 for a variety of reasons. Thousands of wealthy Arabs left in anticipation of a war, thousands more responded to Arab leaders' calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies, a handful were expelled, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle. Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee and an independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel.



http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_arabs_why.php
Why did Arabs leave the new State of Israel?

The vexing question of the “Palestinian Refugees” is one of the perennial open soresof the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. The Palestinians left their homes in 1947-48 for a variety of reasons. Thousands of wealthy Arabs left in anticipation of a war, thousands more responded to Arab leaders’ calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies, a handful were expelled, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle. Tragically, had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee and an independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel.


http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_arabs_why.php
16. In 1947, the Jewish state huddled on 18% of the original British Mandate land. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and seven Arab states immediately declared war against Israel.

17. In 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Most of them left in fear of being killed by their own Arab brothers as traitors.

18. Some 850,000 Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab countries, due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

19. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is claimed to be around 630,000 (where did they get this number?). Based on population census, estimated number of Arabs who left Israel was around 460,000. They were ordered to leave by Arab leaders at the time.



Then we have the question as to when the "Palestinians" decided to "creat " a "Palestinian" state.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_arabs_why.php
20. From 1948 till 1967 Arabs made no attempt to create a Palestinian state. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated, 58 synagogues in Jerusalem were destroyed and the Jews and Christians were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

21. Arabs began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1964 only, on the initiative of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat. The idea became popular Arab propaganda tool after Israel re-captured Judea, Samaria and Gaza in the defensive 6-Day War of 1967,

Need I go on??

 

Let's see, a people without a nation for almost 2,000 years and they still held to their national customs and you don't expect them to intermarry in the nations they wound up in?? It's the first time in history that a displaced people have held their national idenity for any length of time let alone 2,000 years. If you want another example to compare it to then try the Carthaginians.

 

Except they speak and write the same language of ancient Israel, hold to the majority of the same customs of ancient Israel, hold to the same religion as ancient Israel, have thye same hollidays as ancient Israel, and are persecuted the same as the Jews of ancient Israel, etc, etc, etc. I would say that your the one out of step with what's going on.

 

Hebrew was effectively a dead language for over 2,000 years.. That's why they set up language schools in Israel in 1948.

Who is currently persecuting the Jews?

 

Attempting to believe in religions which existed 2000 years ago does not negate the fact that those nations then were destroyed and no longer exist. One can always attempt to recreate a nation based on what one knows of the past, but the differences are still extreme.

 

So is ancient greek but you don't see the greeks of today learning it in large numbers now do you. No sentiment or connection with the past in the Greeks case even though ancient greek was the international language at one time.

 

As many times as I have been to Greece, I don't know a thing about their language. But the ancient Greeks left lots of fabulous evidence for their glory days of Empire.

Yes I know that Greek was spoken in the Decapolis cities of Palestine.

 

Sorry, judge, they are NOT attempting, they DO believe and the religion has never been dead. Just what do you think the word Zion or Zionist means?? To put it short and sweet, "Back to the Land". For two thousand years they repeated the words, "Next year, Jerusalem".

Next, you are trying to go where there's no place to go. It's not Nations, but the word is "Nation" as in the Hebrew Nation. Let's take the American Indian as an example. My wife is half Cree Indian. Does she know the laguage? NO! Does she know the old Cree customs? NO!! Does she know the Cree religion?? NO!!! Does she have any wish to go back and resettle the area of her ancestors? Not hardly!! In other words in less than two hundred years the whole Cree culture for her and her 10 siblings, our 6 daughters, 25 grandchildren, 8 great grandchildren, her 10 siblings, their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren is lost and gone forever. This is the unique thing about Israel. One can but one doesn't. As I have pointed out, in less than two hundred years the Cree culture has vanished, even on the reservations in Canada, but the decendents of Israel have keep their culture in large part for two thousand years while being displaced.

 

Maybe you'd better ' point out ' something rather more factual in future;

...or you're gonna get Buffy writing songs aboutcher.

Not that I'm homophobic, mind, just anti-Zionist.

 

The Cree are one of the largest groups of First Nations / Native Americans in North America, with 200,000 members living in Canada. The major proportion of Cree in Canada live north and west of Lake Superior, in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the Northwest Territories. About 15,000 live in eastern Quebec.[1]

In the United States, this Algonquian-speaking people historically lived from Lake Superior westward. Today, they live mostly in Montana, where they share a reservation with the Ojibwe (Chippewa).[2]

The documented westward migration over time has been strongly associated with their roles as traders and hunters in the North American Fur Trade

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cree

 

And in central Asia as well.

But I will guaranty you more people have heard of Israel than ancient Greece