Atheists Attack Pledge Again

Not sure why you insist on making everything about you.

Which "facts" are you referring to? I find many evangelistic atheists more annoying and obnoxious than Bible-thumping Christians. That's an opinion.

 

Yep. My position, however, that I see no evidence of a God and therefore He must not exist is NOT the affirmative claim. Not sure how you missed that. I was sitting around not doing much of anything when people started claiming God exists. It was THEIR claim, not mine. So I need to prove nothing other than they never proved anything.

Who says there was any creation? If all the matter in the universe has ALWAYS existed there was no need for any creation. Physics backs that up (matter cannot be created nor destroyed). But assuming everything needs to be created, what created God? Nothing? Well then I guess everything does not need to be created. Stating everything needs to be created except God is simply self serving, illogical drivel because anyone could say that about anyhing (also with no evidence of any kind).

Well, there is ample evidence that the sun exists. No so for your invisible sky thing.

 

Good show, subderm. You are really giving it to the liberal point of view today. Thanks. Saves me typing.

 

Exactly.

When at a loss, fling e-poo.

Want to take me to task over something I actually said? Or simply insult through implication?

 

Interesting. Where was the part about proving God exists?

 

Well, the Bible says so. If that isn't proof what is?

 

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html

Read, then let me know what you think.

 

As any intelligent person knows, the Bible was written by humans. It is proof of nothing by what it says.

Just like a math book doesn't prove the Pythagorean theorem just by saying it. You must understand the LOGIC behind the proof.

God doesn't exist because the Bible says He/She/It does. But if you understand what the logic behind SOME (not all) of what the Bible chronicles, it is possible to see that God MUST exist.

There aren't very many religions which completely understand that by the way. In fact, I only know of one. A

 

A page with "apologetics" in it's link isn't worth the time of day, but how about this:

It's entire apologetic for the Bible saying the Earth being flat is crap. The word "flat" is completely inconsequential. The important word is "circle". As in "circle of the Earth". The Bible specifically uses the word "circle" (even in Hebrew) meaning "a flat 2-D round shape".

There is an ancient Hebrew word for "ball" or "sphere" but word was specifically not used. Additionally, the Bible claims that there is a mountain from which all of the Earth can be seen. That's not possible unless the Bible is saying the Earth is flat.

 

That just proves that some people actually believe God exists, not proof of his/her/its existence. If somebody has proof they owe it to everybody to show it, I for one would like to see such proof. But teasing people telling them that there is proof on a website only to read a bunch of baloney about he exists because I said so or because there is no other answer that is as feasible as it has to be God what else could it be, isn't proof of anything.

 

You are being ridiculous.

Each and every day discoveries are made that put the lie to the claim of any "creator."

Doctrine claimed the universe was "created" in its current state in six days but we know that the universe evolved from the "big bang" and it has taken literally billions of years of that evolution to get to the point where man first appeared on this planet.

Doctrine claims that man was "created" but we know man evolved and we can trace those evolutionary steps back over the last 2.5 million years.

Doctrine claimed that all life on this planet emerged from a boat some 3000 years ago but we know that to be false.

You want to believe in "God", "Yoda", or the "Tooth Fairy" have at it but the fact is it is YOUR beliefs that are symptomatic of "psychological hangups." As with all paranoid delusions it is your underlying fear of something that is not real that drives your behavior.

You are afraid that "God" does not exist and if "God" does not exist then much of your life is wasted. I, on the other hand, face the world and life as it is. If "God" does exist and decides that what you call "hell" is proper punishment because I kept only 9 of "his" 10 commandments (Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy, sorry big guy) then he is not a "God" worthy of worship.

And you know something...

Not one time in my entire life have I condemned another person to hell.

 

Very thorough, but it is still just a point of view about why this individual believes there is a God, not proof that God exists.

 

It's that you REJECT the beliefs of others. <--- NO WHERE is this in the definition of Atheism.

No wounder why you are confused here. I cannot address the rest of the post while you are under a false presumption.

 

Totalitarian regimes aren't unique to any particular style of government, they've existed in communist states, capitalistic ones and most of all theocracies.

Your trying to tie the two together, but the ties that bind are weak and circumstantial.

Do and say whatever you want, I really honestly don't care, I simply pointed out that an object third party would likely view reciting the pledge as a very strange activity.

Because nation-worship is idolic, I may be grateful that I was born within these particular borders, but that gratitude shouldn't have to be indoctrinated.

I served my country, how about you? In either case I've paid my dues and displayed my gratitude above and beyond reproach. I'm sorry if my ability to objectively scrutinize indoctrination disturbs you.

 

I was just making a joke. Although I have had people use the Bible to try and show the Bible is correct. That is quite odd indeed.

Well, then I want to see the photo. I can provide one of me. Seems God could be a sport.

 

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

"Insult through implication". Is that your way of saying you are inventing insults to feed a persecution complex, of some kind?

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Put Faith in the center and you might have something. Bible (God) says you are saved by grace through faith...

 

Which means that you can be a good person, not harm anyone, and live only to serve other but reject God and go to hell. On the other side, you can be a lifelong child rapist and murderer and if you accept Jesus as your savior and ask for forgiveness, you go to Heaven.

That's inherently immoral and one of the reasons why I will never follow Christianity.

 

1 - Why beleive the bible?
Becasue the bible is infallable.

2 - How do you know that the bible is infallable?
Because its the word of god.

3- And how do you know its the word of god?
Because the Bible says so.

Goto 1 and repeat.

Thank you proving the circular logic

 

Well, you can't argue with that.

 

Seems fair to me. Makes perfect sense.