The Falklands - Who should own these godforsaken islands?

It was their usual cruddy imperialism, ignorant, prejudiced and incompetent - as you of course know.

 

Merry old England doesn't have (officially anyway) a merry old government, and almost any country would shove 3,000 people out of the way to build a MacDonald's. Except as an oil-investment the place is not worth what is being spent on it, not by a long shot, and all the people could live in huge comfort elsewhere at half the cost. This is not a 'tiny' country but a hamlet in a big cold sea.

 

maybe so. But quite a history.

 

Dream on, reva... In the real world, those who brag will remain braggarts... In that sense, I am very happy that France has less bragging rights than the US... Live as a fool, die as one (but my commiserations to Maggy and best wishes to Dave)

 

I'm not squatting someone else's water lily and I'm not ashamed of my French roots.

You must be projecting

 

By God, that last sentence is as crazy and loathsome as anything any American weirdo could write on the nearest bogwall. That is sick! The one toad is gaga and the other mentally deficient even for a slug. You can tell people by their admirations!

 

They are not squatting on someone else's lily pad

It's their lily pad.

 

Yes....but at least British goverments dont make thousands of thier people mysteriously dissapear like the Argentinians have done in the recent past.

 

Different governments, you must admit.

 

No...the British governments do that to other peoples who unfortunately inhabit the many places they want to squat

 

Anyway at least the British have made the island at least habitable...........what would the Argies do..............Nothing.

The last time they were there (1982) they just made a mess of the place.

They had no plan for any sort of development there.

I think Sean Penn, should of actually of gone to the Falklands before giving his misguided support to the Argentinians illegitimate claims. Then....maybe he could of been a shepherd for a day, in that lovely cold bracing wind...........No i dont think he would stick more than 2 hours being there, before going back to Argentina, and telling them to forget all about taking over the Falklands!

 

Iolo, that poster was all about how France should be ashamed of capitulating in 1940, while most Americans were sitting on their arses...I don't blame them, as I believe war is hell...However, I don't blame France either for refusing to sacrifice as many men as we did in WW1 for a disputable victory

 

Clearly there IS an issue because the Argentinian's are pissed off and will remain pissed off until a diplomatic solution is arrived at relating to the contentious claims for sovereignty. 'Jaw-jaw' is preferential to 'war-war'. Pragmatically, it's in the UK's medium to long term economic interest to negotiate over the spoils of the oil.

 

That is like blaming the victims of the holocaust because evil thugs wanted scapegoats and loot.

You confuse a legit legal issue if sovereignty with simple greed for the assets of others.

 

Ah, old geezers displayed on Argentine television is clearly a match for a nuclear submarine.

The Argentine claim predates the 1832 premise that the British government invokes as the basis of legitimacy for sovereignty over the island. To suggest that Argentina has absolutely no historical claims to it when the island was administered from and answerable to a government in Buenos Aires for many years is just not tenable.

In 1982 Argentina was a fascist dictatorship. Now she is a vibrant democracy that's open to discussion. The UK is intrasigent and the world knows it. It's the UK that is out of step not the majority of the world who is sympathetic to the Argentinian position.

 

Don't be silly.

 

Nothing silly about it...The Argies have never ever held sovereignty over the Falklands except during an unlawful invasion. Just because a nation lusts after something does not mean that nation has an argument for possession.

It is little different than the view held by some leftists that their lusting after the wealth of others gives them a moral or legal right to that wealth.

It simply does not and no amount of pandering by opportunistic politicians changes that.

 

The issue of sovereign rights is contentious which is why the 'Argies', as you derogatively put it are, by definition, pissed of...Unless, that is, you think that the 'argies' are inherently pathologically pre-disposed to violence and aggression....Ah, yep, that'll be it!

 

Not exactly though they do have a regional reputation for being a tad full of themselves with no real reason. The bottom line is pretty simple. They never owned the territory and it becoming a oil reserve does not change that.

 

The issue of ownership is a contentious one:

"The American academics Reginald & Elliot in their 1983 study of the Falklands War entitled 'Tempest in a Teapot' state, "In looking at the historic claims made by Argentina and Britain for sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas, one is struck by the obvious sincerity of both sides, and by the absolute impossibility of reaching a fair and impartial decision based upon existing evidence."

http://www.falklands.info/history/hist82article11.html

Under these circumstances, it's better that a faded colonial power offer an olive branch to a rising economic power which has the support of Latin America. Pragmatically, it makes sense.

 

Britain out of the South Atlantic. Britain out of the Western Hemisphere.

 

Colonial outposts in the 21st century are certainly an anachronism.

 

Why are colonial outposts only a colonial outpost when the colonizer is European..Half of China are colonies. An Argentine grab of another's property over the objections of the inhabitants would be a colonial move...

 

And Bertie out of the Forum .Again .

 

predates the 1832 ?

That's a load of Bull $hit / utter rubbish ..

As I'v said In todays democratic world the Argies have no claim as no Argentinians have ever have lived there.

The Republic of Argentina did NOT exist - in 1832 - it was part of the Spanish Empire . The federal state known today as the Republic of Argentina was'nt formed until 1861.

-- You're talking rubbish , as usual - GO LEARN


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