A lot of Republicans voting for Obama!

Got to disagree with you on that. The republicans have nothing to offer to Americans.

Santorum is too extreme for most Americans; Gingrich has too much luggage; Ron Paul is too old. The only viable candidate is Romney and even there's no guarantee that he'll win.

 

You may be right. But that begs the question: "What does Obama have to offer to Americans?"

 

FDR saddled the country with Social security. The worst ponzi scheme in history.
Those people woke up and voted for Reagan in huge numbers. The era of FDR is over. So is the era of JFK.

 

again... your partisan opinion is meaningless to me.

but I will point out that I could just as easily say the same thing about the era of Ronnie.

 

You don't need to. The world ends December 21st.

 

Agreed but it is when defining what that fight is or the root cause of the problem that people disagree.

 

Your opinion has no merit. What you mean is Christians should not admit they have a strong faith.

 

My opinion does have merit.

Having a strong faith is one thing. Forcing religious beliefs on others is quite another and for the state to do this is against both the spirit and the letter of the Constitution.

Have whatever faith you like and be thankful that you live in a country that allows this.

Have your beliefs, keep them, but keep them to yourself.

 

I keep hearing liberals say he's forcing his beliefs on others through the state. But they never get around to explaining what. I expect no more from liberals - the scum of society.

 

Even still nobody can state where he wants to establish a theocracy.

 

Then when you are shown how Santorum is trying to force his religious beliefs on others you say:

First off: I am a Contitution loving Fiscal Conservative and hard core Capitalist so save your labels and demonization. This is ad hom plain and simple and adds nothing to the debate.

There are many things I do not like about Liberal ideas such as utilitarian justification (claming something is good for the many while completely ignoring individual rights).

The reason I do not like this is because it is against the Constitution/Bill of Rights (individual freedom, life, liberty and persuit of happiness)

For the exact same reasons I do not like it when people try and use religious justification to make law.

The Constitution expressly forbids this and for good reason.

Creation of laws based on Religion is "Theocracy" and it just a different form of Sharia law.

What does it mean to be a Conservative these days ? Does it mean that one has to follow Jerry Falwell ? Does it mean that one has to be anti-abortion ?

Here are some thoughts from the "Godfather" of Conservatism .. Barry Goldwater.

 

Show where Santorum has done that. A president must get approval of congress and is bound by the constitution unless you are Obama

 

I don't hear you condemning Obama for making insurance companies pay for abortion drugs. More hype with no substance because Santorum believes states have rights to pass laws

 

Go read the links on post 111.

Santorum will try and make legislation based on his religious beliefs and this is against the Constitution.

Whether he succeeds or not is another question.

I'm not interested in supporting someone who hates the Constitution and wants to make policy based on a theocratic agenda.

 

I respect your opinion. And I agree that if we were talking odds, the odds are that Romney stands more of a chance against Obama than Santorum.

But don't minimize the feeling that is growing in America. We are getting sick of the amoral or even immoral direction which is being taken by so many in America.

A lot of us don't want religion in our govt., but would rather have it worn on a President's sleeve like it used to be in many cases, than have dishonest cronyism or socialism.

I don't think Santorum would or even COULD actually run the govt. like a theocracy for heaven's sake, but he could certainly allow Godlike qualities to persuade his thinking. And THAT I think is what America is wanting to get back to after 50 or more years of near-decadence in our great country.

So don't limit in your thinking by saying Santorum stands no chance.

That said, I'll be voting for Romney just because I think he probably would be more certain to beat Present-debt Obama.

 

On religious belief or morals that say abortion is a mother killing her child. It is not necessarily religion

He is not wanting laws that promote religion he wants laws that protect the people and the unborn

 

Right .. and his stance on "abstinence" "Gay Marriage" and "Sodomy" also come from some place other than a moral stance based on his religion.

Spare me.

So lets here Santorum's secular rational that trumps the enshrined right to life liberty and persuit of happiness such that he can force people not to use contraception, ban gay marriage, and not engage in sex that Santorum does not like.

As far as the Abortion issue is concerned .. there is no valid secular argument that Santorum has ever made.

 

So then I guess murder and stealing is a religious law since it is part of the ten commandants.

Your attitude shows your dislike for conservatives and Christians.

Yes there is for abortion. It is wrong for a mother to kill her child. That has nothing to do with religion.

 

I'm neither republican or democrat..
but if I had to choose between any of the republican candidates and Obama I'd pick Obama..he's the better of the 2 evils..they all suck so who cares..
no matter who gets elected I can't predict any rosy future us..
all I'm hoping for at this point is not going to war with Iran..bring all out troops home and let the Israelis and Arabs fight their own war..

 

FDR "saddled the country with social security?" Bad choice of words. More appropriately, FDR helped to ensure that the labor classes had some form of financial security in their later years. That was a good thing. That was the right thing to do, then and now. Ronald Reagan continues to be a figment of conservative's imagination. He was to America's politics then as Barack Obama is to America's politics now - media created celebrities with a gift of gab and a bright smile. Yes, you may add JFK to that list.

 

as long as abortion is a legal medical procedure, why shouldn't insurance companies pay for it as part of regular health insurance?

 

You miss the point. It is illegal for the government to pay for abortion so they have no right forcing anyone else to pay for abortion pills.

Obama is abusing power when he forces private companies to pay for social medicine.

 

Your claim "abortion is killing a child" is a logical fallacy because you have not proven your premise. Notice I said "valid" justification.

I am both a Conservative and a Christian thx.

Don't confuse your lack of understanding of true Conservativism and true Christianity with dislike.

Are you going to continue trying to divert attention away from your inability to back up your claims ?

Answer the question.