Your believe: Darwin or Creationism?

Only in religious Zombieland does one have to make a choice.

 

What do you mean by this?

 

That only in USA is possible to believe in creationism

In the civilized world like Europe is considered a bunch of nonsense and surpassed hundred years ago.

 

You are behind the times....way way way back yonder. Back around the monkey trial if you really believe that. Read a bit of Behe and a dash of Schroeder. I would guess tens or hundreds of Christian apologists authors and scientists etc. Yes just in hard science there are a few that are not qualified or have quack theories but for the most part the alternative theories of believers are interesting and thought provoking. Most tolerate and or accept many of the facts of evolution even if they do so conditionally.

Lastly, you might want to look up 'the types of creation science' . You may be interested in progressive creation. I suppose CS is the label that I would be tagged with ~ kinda'.

Amazon.com: The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific ...
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Gerald L. Schroeder is the author of Genesis and the Big Bang and The Science of God. He earned his Ph.D. at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before ...

reva

 

Yeah right, europe the civilized world and the birthplace of both world wars! What a joke! I could go on with even more ghastly references on the moral cesspool of that is much of Europe but I will not bow to defending such a asinine statement, and besides I have friends there, and in reality I love some of the people, at least those that have the common sense not to be anti USA/Israel just because they think its cool. And I will close by saying that my European friends know why I make such defensive comments......they are true!

Anyway;

Peter C Kjaergaard - Western front | New Humanist
newhumanist.org.uk › Articles › Volume 123 Issue 3 May/June 2008
While secularists sleep well-funded creationists are on the march in Europe says Peter C ... creationism, the denial of Darwinian evolution, is on the rise in Europe. ... and “firmly oppose the teaching of creationism as a scientific discipline on an ..

Towards an integrated understanding of creationism in Europe ...
ugent.academia.edu/.../Towards_an_integrated_understanding_of_...
102 Cover of the first issue of the Dutch creation science magazine Weet ...... if creationism is on the rise in Europe, one may object, the phenomenon hardly ...

Lets not forget your Muslim brothers and sisters who are staunch creationist apologists;

The Rise of Islamic Creationism | International Humanist and Ethical ...
www.iheu.org/node/2794
Aug 7, 2007 – Scientists shy away from issues of morality and identity, while liberal .... of Creation to scientists and educators in Europe and North America, ...

Please reasearch your comments before making such false statements again?

reva

 

exactly... one can believe in God without believing in the bible

 

Putting complete faith in the non-existence of God can be an equally nonsensical position to take.

 

What I mean is that the religious right thinks creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive and that evolution is heresy.

 

I believe in God who created everything and the Holy Bible which tells us about!

 

Who created God?

 

I believe that everything, as we know it, was created by the invisible pink unicorn in the sky.

 

Science is easy to believe in. Science has hypotheses, experiments, proofs... evolution in a historic sense, i.e. nothing > explosion > single cell > human is equally hocus pocus. It's really just the nature of history, if it wasn't observed and recorded, it can't be proven.

On the other hand, what we do have before us, the wonder of nature, is observable. Evolution, in the sense of biology adapting to environment, etc. is observable; the incredible order and intelligence found in the physical doesn't prove the existence of a spiritual realm, but it sure makes it impossible for me to believe it was accidental.

 

who puts complete faith in the non-existence of God?

Someone saying "yo there's an invisible intangible pink dragon behind you and I want you all to believe his doctrine as fact because he is the creator of all."

And then me responding, "I don't believe you." is not the same as complete faith in the non-existence of...

Seriously.

 

double post.....

 

The odds against naturally occurring conditions that would produce a universe fit for life as we know it 'by accident' are so astronomically high that that I must reject that theory. There are other reasons that a universe without a designer seems unlikely, for example; We see information being created every day but never is code created without a intelligent designer or a mind. I should include messages, language never comes into existence by random events. Science tells us that life on planet earth began accidentally from a “primordial soup,” etc. Supposedly, a warm pond (Darwin) or an early ocean etc is said to have produced enzymes and eventually RNA, DNA, and then primitive cells or something similar. The prevailing theory lacks one thing, answering where the information for life for DNA etc. The above are just a few of many reasons I believe that God created this universe.

reva

 

This is a no brainer. LOL....

FYI:

The intellegent people who question authority and worship no human are mutations of the human race, and will go on thinking, using logic and evovling generation after generation discovering new things and adapting to succeed in their new environments as the environment of the world evolves. Those that do not think and need to be told what is right and wrong are the idiots that can't evolve. Hence the ongoing stupidness of some of the human race. And you can bet stupid people will pass on their stupidity genetically and environmentally generation after generation keeping religion alive.

Don't taze me bro.

 

It is true that there is crazy people in Europe that believe in creationism, but for good luck are a minority. In difference with the people that reason and don't believe in myths.

And yeah the lunacy of USA is reaching some people in Europe, but as I said for good luck are a minority, mainly because the secularism and the unbelievers in any god is increasing everyday.

For example in the European youth the number of believers is really reduced, and everyday less people believe in anything, and that excludes creationism that has no logic behind. Believe in creationism is like believe that the Earth is flat.

 

If there is a designer who designed the designer? And who/what designed the designer of the designer?

The theory of the designer fails in answer where the information for this designer appeared? How this designer/God appeared? Can you answer this?

 

exactly, if some believe the universe could not be created by a fluke, why would they believe a god could be created by a fluke, cause in order for a god to create anything there must be a god created to do such things

 

At least you admit when you are wrong. And you should know that majority never indicates correctness. Lastly I think your ideas about creationism and ID are severely dated, what is the last you have read about it or how exactly do you think creationism works and maybe you could touch on the latest theory or ontological argument for the existence of God?

Thanks in advance

reva

 

That is called infinite regression, (ie who created the creator ad infinitum) remember "it's turtles all the way down!" Ha ha....that is a inside IR joke. Anyway, I subscribe to the KCA which suggests that God created the Big Bang which created time. Since God exists before or 'outside' of time he has existed 'forever'. Being atemporal or eternal means that infinite regression can not exist and is stuck in its tracks by the eternity of God. It makes sense, before time was created nanoseconds after the big bang banged, God existed. That concept is EXTREMELY difficult to visualize, especially when we begin thinking about causality. You might like to read about the KCA argument, its profound and fascinating especially the more advanced version and is taught at every major university and most lesser ones too! Oh, make sure that you read the updated version of Craig or Koon. The oldest rendition is a thousand years old. BTY, the KCA has been challenged but never defeated.

Yes in the same exact way that the first was answered. God is eternal time was created in the big bang. God existed before/outside time and is atemporal. Pssst' I will let you in on the turtles joke;

Turtles all they way down
www.the-funneled-web.com/Hawking.htm
"But it's turtles all the way down." Well, it isn't turtles all the way down. In a phrase, "A people acquire and retain well being in proportion to the knowledge they ...

reva

 

Very interesting point, and very plausable.
In the USA when times are bad the simple minded turn to religion and the religious industry in the USA is going strong. Over the past 2 decades the public schools in the USA have been dumbing down the population more and more. In fact the public schools are out of a 1800 mentality. Hence, the lack of social, and cultural evolution as compaired with other emerging countries.

Our only hope here in the USA is that the religious nut bags can do their missionary thing and bring their religion and VD to other countries to dumb them down also. You know, make them obedient, not to question authority, keep them simple minded, and theach them how to worship and beg. It is like modernday colonialization. Because that is the only way the religious in the USA know how to take over a country, by war and religion. As both go hand in hand throughout history in all parts of the world.

 

The simple minded are those that stubbornly cling to backwards ideas, while at the same time fear new ideas. No I am not speaking about religious folks being backwards. I am talking about militant atheists who insist on beginning a discussion with bigotry and insult. Most who criticize religion and spirituality are often times ignorant of what they criticize. Their idea of creationism looks like something that came from the Scopes monkey trial, which btw the Darwinist lost. Modern creationism is varied and different. As I have said most God Phobic simpletons dont know the difference between progressive creation and YO creation, thank God for those that must debate them they have Google! I am not trying to insult those people I am simply relaying the truth. They complain insistently about religious this and that while at the same are ignorant of basic freshman college level philosophy of religion. For example I often quote or mention Godel while debating bigoted God Phobic members.

(Bigoted God Phobic members are those atheists that are insulting from the start of any conversation about metaphysics spirituality or God)

Godel for those that are not interested in the philosophy of science etc was perhaps the greatest theoretical logistician in recent history. His peers have said Godel was equal to Einstein in intellect. Oh did I mention he was also an theist and included God in some of his theories? Not included God was the main subject of those articles papers and theories! How do the malicious atheists square that with their God phobic paradigm? In addition I must say that when I mention Godel or his 'God theories' to many combative God and religion bashing atheists they act as if they were a deer caught in the headlights! It's like whats a Godel Theory? They usually respond, posting some totally dumb answer that only enhances like a spot light their ignorance of such basic things! Ha ha ~ Maybe if the God phobic members would learn the subject matter ie theology the philosophy of Science and religion etc they would not seem so stupid when asked basic questions. Read my lips as a great man used to say; Religious belief is compatible with science! I urge them to read Behe starting with the concept of irreducible complexity. If not Behe a similar author . Science is being forced to come to terms with religion and God. These days a preacher is likley an PhD or holds a master. Sometimes when a library or Barns and Nobel I pick up a text book or a book about theoretical physics etc and flip to the index. Almost 100% of the time God is in the index of pure science books...and that my friends makes me happy.

reva

 

I believe that God is the creator of Evolution. God created the elements. Evolution took over.

 

It's quite hard to figure out the answer... How exactly did life start? I've yet to see an example of someone creating life that doesn't involve a birth so far and an explanation as to how Elements turned into living beings is beyond me. I accept that creatures adapt to their surroundings so I believe in Evolution. I guess I'm for both honestly... I don't believe in "God" I just believe that there is a Higher Power or Powers that goes way beyond the ability of the Human Race to rationalize it.