LOL, why should it be immoral? I have no idea from where you derive your morals, but this is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with a 38 year old guy dating a 19yo girl, if they like each other, it's not my business. Likewise, an adult guy dating a 15 year old girl is also OK - and you think he would be a child molester or something?
Yes . And emotionally immature in all probability . And technically illegal even if sex has been consensual - if it has occurred
Well morals are different with each individual I do not feel a 19 year old is mature enough to be my equal. I will admit they are very attractive I have actual refused advances of a 19 year old that I had feelings for because of that. I would not have considered that molestation just me taking advantage of a less mature individual. That is a personal decision on morals. In the US a adult being with a 15 year is rape by definition so yes that would be molesting. In your country I suppose not by legal definition but by my own values it is immoral. Now younger than 15 in your country is illegal I feel adults should protect children at any cost. To not defend a child is far more immoral than violating loyalties to a friend by American values. I believe your country is free to set its own laws but if those laws are violated you should defend the defenseless. May I ask what country you are from?
Are you Sonofodin? He was the only child molester I have seen on this forum who was open and proud of it. I know he hasn't been banned. Just wondering if you forgot your password and had to start a new account or something. Maybe realized how many ignore lists you were on.
Child molester is someone who molests children, not who has sex with teenagers. Here it would be perfectly legal, because as I wrote, the age of consent here is 15. And, as I was trying to indicate in my first post, even if it was technically illegal, it still wouldn't be morally wrong or evil - you don't go to the police just because the age of consent happens to be higher in your country than in neighboring countries, that would be absurd. LOL, you rejected a 19 year old because you felt you were too old for her? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Many people of her age can be more mature than some much older people. I actually have no idea what the term "take advantage of" means. I've never heard anyone here talking about it in this context. Sure, there are abusive relationships and child molestation, but this is not the case. A 15 year old is capable of reasoning and understanding what's going on. Sex is not a sin, it's not a rape, and it's not something evil from which people should be protected. Also, 15 year olds aren't children, but adolescents and they're by no means defenseless. Check out the flag for my country. I have no idea who is the user you're talking about, I didn't even want to talk about this topic, but about laws and it's not my fault that you see child molesters everywhere.
I am simply replying to your OP I can see morals are vastly different in different countries. As I said in my first post if they are not hurting anyone physical or mentally I feel no need to report them to anyone. I do feel the need to protect others from harm if I must. I am not the type of person to judge people only hurting themselves. Yet I do feel children need to be protected sometimes even from themselves.
They reached sexual maturity long time ago and that means they're ready to have sex, mentally and physically. In USA you can drive before you're 18, but you can't drink until 21. What a retarded country. Of course they can't vote or enter legal contracts before they're 18, but the age of consent has nothing to to with that. I know that morals are different in different countries, but this is beyond my comprehension. When they love each other, nobody is gets hurt, and you would act like a cold-blooded snitch and report them to the police? What the (*)(*)(*)(*)? As I wrote in my previous post, sex is not a SIN or EVIL and it isn't something from which people should be protected.
I have nothing against sex if between consenting adults. I do not understand why a grown man would want to be with a child. I like women who are my equal in both maturity and experince. As far as the cold blooded snitch part that specific act in question is among the worst crimes in my country. So I would feel the duty to protect a child. If it was my child there would be no jail or anything else in that persons future. I don't mean to offend traditions in your nation if your government sets a legal limit then so be it. The thing I can not understand is how you don't understand the harmful effects that result from a child potential being used just for sex by a grown man. They should be in relationships with others of the same mentality. If a man has to be with a 14 yr old to be adequate then there is something wrong with him mentally. I am one of the most opposed to snitching in most instances. That issue and violent crimes I have to draw the line. I guess you would see nothing wrong with American men going to your country and promising young girls things to seduce them then just abandoning them after they had their way with them?
And what does it matter at what maturity level is the other person when they like each other? Let everyone find the partner they like, that's none of my business. There are responsibilities, yes, and that's why the teenagers should be educated about sex. Driving is not allowed here until 18 and for a good reason, it's more dangerous than sex. They're not children, they're teenagers and there can be many reasons why a grown man would want to be with them - what about mutual affection? What women you like, that's your private problem, not mine, what right do you have to tell other people what to do and what to feel? You would not protect a child, you would destroy the lives of both, you would be a criminal. The teenagers are not being used, they decide from their own will, they're no animals without brains, as you in the U.S. probably think. And I honestly don't care about Americans having sex with young girls, if the girls want it, I see no problem about it.
It depends on social mores. One group may think it is OK, others not, so physically, there may be no problem but societal, there may be. If it is not OK in your group then you will have to deal with the consequences, from jail to becoming an outcast.
Good God man. Most people take it upon themselves to deem what laws are worthy of abiding. I don't know anyone who would turn someone in for jaywalking. Everyone I know would call the cops on a child molester, if not extract justice in their own venue. You could have used bank robbery, murder, etc. Instead to prove your point you list "consensual sex with a minor", as if such a thing exists, and "kiddie porn" as your examples. Anyone in their right mind wouldn't equate such topics with running a red light. Some sick sons of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es across the pond.
Again, I've never said anything about child molesters. I would also call the police on a child molester. But nothing I've mentioned is a serious crime, they're minor crimes, that's what I wanted to point out. That's why I compared the consensual sex with a minor and possession of child porn with theft and vandalism, not robbery and murder, because you just don't turn in your freinds for things like these.
It seems we have here a cultural difference on what age someone can be considered 'mature' or 'consenting'. All the arguments seem to have degenerated to that one point. It's too bad the op had to cross that line.. there might have been some other points to discuss, but instead we're trying to determine if he is a pedophile. In some cultures, & at different times in history, it was ok to keep young boys as sex toys, too. ..or you could buy & sell people as personal property. ..or you could sell your daughters to a high bidder, & let them be mutilated for 'religious' purposes. But at some point in civilized history, we started to come up with standards for behavior when it encroached upon another, & especially if children were involved. In the us, the legal age of responsibility is usually around 18. You can join the military & kill people, buy alcohol & tobacco, purchase deadly weapons, get married, vote, be held to a contract, & other dangerous, adult activities. Sometimes a 17yr old is tried as an adult in a crime, and some states have ages lowered for statutory rape crimes. But the point is that at some time a culture has an agreed upon an age for adulthood. That seems to be the central argument, & that is not something uniquely american, british, chinese, or czechoslovakian. Perhaps there are lower standards for pedophilia in czechoslovakia.. that is fine, but human rights activists change things like this & bring pressure for nations to meet a more accepted world standard of human rights. Women's rights in muslim countries are a clear example.
What pedophilia? What the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you talking about? If someone (*)(*)(*)(*)s sexually mature girls, it isn't pedophilia, but normal behavior. There's a line, sure, here it's 15 years, but if someone breaks it, nothing terrible happens. You think how smart you are, Americans, but in fact you're terribly backward, you and your (*)(*)(*)(*)ty puritan sexual morals. Go (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself and stop spreading your retarded idea of "human rights" to other countries, no one wants your (*)(*)(*)(*) here.
As I have said I do not believe children of the age you are referring can give consent. That is a difference that I can not see past. The child porn is victimization of children in it worst form. It destroys the childrens chance of a normal future. As well as encourages the person watching the filth to commit the acts. As well as profiting the people who film the abuse. I see no reason to attempt to have this conversation. If protecting the young is holding the law to be holy then I suppose I worship the law. That is a statement I never thought I would make. This conversation like the other have said has regressed into a debate of pedophilia. That is moral wrong to any normal civilization. It is equal if not worse than 1st degree murder to me. I feel the punishment those crimes receive is inadequate even in the US. This thread appears to be nothing but flame-bait.
And whose fault is it that this conversation degenerated into a debate of pedophilia? Certainly not mine. I believe that the teenagers I was referring to can give consent and they do, in many European countries the age of consent is lower than here. You are a retarded and evil American who thinks that young people need to be protected from sex, as if it was something wrong. There's a difference between people who make child porn, they're the true criminals, not the people who downloaded it from the internet. Nobody is encouraged to commit anything, no one is harmed, no one profits from it, it's a similar victimless crime as possession of drugs. All in all, pedophilia by itself isn't a moral wrong, it's a sexual deviation similar to homosexuality, what is wrong is sexual molestation of children, which is equally wrong as rape, but not as wrong as murder. I don't know where you get your idea that it's worse than murder, that's just retarded.
Seems like you're digging a deeper hole for yourself.. i doubt if any of the leftists here will even chime in to support you. You seem to be mostly defending underage sex, & comparing those who like that to homosexuals.. this won't go over very well, & it's not just an american morality thing. Any euros out there want to defend this guy's ideas of sexual liberation? No point in my input any more.. i tried to go with the points of the op, but this is what seems to be the central point of your post. But there is a big leap between jaywalking & pedophilia. Hope you get it sorted out or get a good lawyer.
Leftists? I'm not a leftist, I'm not a liberal, I'm a conservative and I hate American liberals with a passion. I don't know why you're not able to realize that underage sex is not the same thing as pedophilia. Pedophiles are into preteen girls, is it that hard to understand? From the medical point of view it's the same sexual deviation as homosexuality. I don't know what's your problem. What I'm saying is hardly new.
No meaning to butt in if you look under the poster name it will say banned between name and "guru" or what ever title they have.
