Who's for Gun Control?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Libhater, May 27, 2012.

  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Look at all the gun-grabbers struggling to understand freedom. The notion of it confuses them so much.
     
  2. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    It gives one the means to defend their life and property from potential threats, and it gives them the ability to feed themselves as well.

    Really, I would have thought this was obvious, but the obvious seems to escape your type quite often...
     
  3. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Once again, the vast, vast majority of Americans do not have to arm themselves to the teeth. Try acknowledging reality and maybe you'll achieve some understanding.
     
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    GeneralZod New Member

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    "You may take our lifes! But you never take our... FREEDOM!" "It's all for nothing, if you don't have FREEDOM!!
     
  5. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    A predictably vapid response from someone who lacks intelligent comment.
     
  6. GeneralZod

    GeneralZod New Member

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    Of course, this view of 'freedom' is perverse. It is like a 3rd rate political science class with the endless repitition of one subject matter.

    What do you mean by the concept of freedom and guns. Apart from the obvious with protection/hunting. You seem to imply a deeper content but so far unexplained.
     
  7. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am armed at the moment but this...

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    is hardly "armed to the teeth'...
     
  8. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have 23 million folk...of that number 5 million were born outside the country. 90% of the nation is of European origin and that giant Vietnamese population in under 200,000....

    Diversity is 40% of your population being from other than Europe, as in the USA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia#Population

    So, I say again, any lower crime rates are far more likely caused by having a far less diverse population, not gun grabbing.
     
  9. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    I am not implying anything. Again, your reading comprehension fails you. I am stating a simple fact in response to a question you posed. You asked me what owning a firearm has to do with freedom and I educated you. Predictably, you responded with a juvenile remark.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is what I call hysteria and pandering...Have you seen a massive decrease in violent crime since the gun grab? Have you not had to consider banning a host of other things?

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/1...arrying-knives-20100304-pk9m.html?autostart=1

    It seems folk are still being naughty and the national nanny must spank...
     
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    You have kept on repeating the same word "freedom" without proper explaination.

    But if you won't be honest, then nevermind.
     
  12. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The military is the people...I doubt the military would blindly obey orders they might find illegal. Not most of them.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very, very few arms are registered in the USA as most gun owners do not trust government enough to let them pass registration schemes. There are not 200 million guns registered in the usa...not 10% of that number.
     
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    Yes and there are laws that criminals can't have guns but, they are caught with them every day. Guns are ubiquitous if you don't own one, and know how to use it, you are at a distinct disadvantage.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doesn't matter and it is none of yours or anyone else's business how he chooses to protect his home or how many guns the guy owns.
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    For those moments when it isn't and the police are way on the other side of town setting up speed traps, because you have the inalienable right to protect yourself and your family, and because it is guaranteed in our Constitution.

    And you don't have to live in this environment so...what's it to you? Seriously. Why feel the need to weigh in on "family" business when you're not in our family? I don't weigh in on domestic policies in other countries because I accept that what news I get is limited and....its not really my business.
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Freedom is the ability to secure for yourself food, shelter, and adequate protection without governmental interference. Freedom is the ability to find love, joy, etc. For the same reason I believe gays should have the right to marry is the same reason I believe that people should have the ability to protect themselves and their family as they see fit.
     
  18. GeneralZod

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    Family business being hosted on a public internet forum?

    No one is forced to type here, this a snap shot of political beliefs. And if don't like critism or critique to your country, then why logged into a polical forum?
     
  19. JohnnyMo

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    Agreed. however, I am of the opinion that all handguns sales should require a background check, a brief waiting period and registration
     
  20. snakestretcher

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    Swiss 'militiamen' are fully trained in firearms usage. They have to be because Switzerland has no standing army, and they would be called upon to protect the country should its neutrality be compromised. I see no problem there and gun laws are strictly applied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    I did not say that I minded the critique. That's absurd. As you can see from any poster on this forum, people are here purposefully to be challenged.

    I just wonder why people from other countries get a bee in their bonnet and feel the need to weigh in on matters they only know ancillary information about. You would need to live in a country to understand it. My personal opinion is that you guys are just as big a "moralist" and contrarian as those who get their panties in a bunch about gays wanting to get married. It's none of your concern really what we do until it effects you, just as it is none of my business what gays and lesbians do until they are breaking into my home and setting fire to the cat.
     
  22. Roelath

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    It must still frighten you to know that there are Men & Women carrying weapons openly in the streets considering your previous posts. Also to say it's okay because they've had training is absolutely meaningless... Some of the best still get their fingers blown off or find themselves dead because of mismanagement of weapons. Anywhere in the world a different weapon will be used if a gun isn't found. Are you prepared to ban knives when a psycho stabs and kills eight people in a mall? It's going to happen no matter what... it's whether or not the general populace has the means to protect themselves from such criminals is the important issue. Relying a Police Force that could be there in a minute to a half an hour isn't the best solution when you could be dead in less than a second. The right to carry is ingrained into American Philosophy not because we like shooting them in the sky and killing people like outsiders believe to be the case. We have the Philosophy because we do not wish to be bullied by anyone and the gun is the best equalizer in the history of man. A woman who weighs seventy pounds can defend herself against a three hundred pound rapist. I prefer to have women to be my equals in defense no matter their size because of History of what happens to women when they're left undefended. My argument is purely logical as to why weapons such as firearms should be carried with training or not... Have all Men equal is the purpose and with that equality a Government, Criminal or Organization will be afraid to attack a populace that can defend itself. A bully goes for the weak and making the people weak is what is happening in your very capital city London. I'm surprised you're not disgusted with what happens in your country. I know I am with my own but, at least I have friends who carry fully automatics and have arsenals who are willing to protect me if I need protection.
     
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  23. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    I've been plenty honest. You asked a question and I answered it. If you are now asking me a different question, I will answer that one too.

    Freedom is self-determination. Firearms help individuals protect their self-determination from authority figures and criminals. It also gives them a way to feed themselves.

    Any other basic information you would like, or are you done trying to make gun rights advocates seem like deranged luncatics?
     
  24. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Gun laws are strictly applied? You mean gun ownership is strictly enforced, right? It's a not so subtle difference. Glad to see you're in favor of compulsory gun ownership.
     
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    Mexico has instituted some of the strictest of Gun Control Laws. Now only the criminals have guns. sure doesn't seem to work down there, does it.

    Governments have always been the worst mass murderers. It's more difficult for them when the populace is armed.
     

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