Is Turkey Sliding Towards Civil War?

This is interesting:

"...In fact, nearly 25 million Alawites live in Turkey. They called upon the European Court of Human Rights to demand the abolition of mandatory religious classes for boys and to ban any reference to religion on Turkish identity cards. However, the Turkish judiciary has deliberately ignored the decision of the European Court of Human Rights that was issued on October 9, 2007, ruling in favor of an Alawite plaintiff.

Despite our desperate struggle and ongoing resistance, the Turkish government continues to apply its policy of disgraceful injustice. Turkey is slowly sliding toward civil war, repressively applying its policy of assimilation and neutralization. Anatolia, the land of wealth and culture, is gradually turning into the land of hatred and oppression before our very eyes..."

Hmmm! I guess the Alawites never heard about the genocide and expulsion of the Christian Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks?



http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/culture/2012/08/we-are-the-turkish-alawites-3.html

 

There's a certain irony to all this in how Turks have faced discrimination in Germany.

As much as Turkish immigrants have complained about their treatment there, their own country of origin seems to have a lot of issues with minorities.

 

i see what you mean didnt know they where connected to the ones in syria
http://arabiadeserta.com/2012/08/05/turkey-cornered-caught-between-the-alawites-and-the-kurds.aspx

 

but i see turkey is trying to setup refugee camps for them and thislooks like there trying to getalong with better relations also keeping them separated
http://www.sundayszaman.com/sunday/...60B2661BE6C263D98757E61D51919B3?newsId=287812

 

The Alawites in Syria are the supporters of the Assad regime. The refugees going into Turkey are mostly Suni, just like most Turks and like most Syrian rebels. I don't see how Turkey could easily go into civil war, though, because they don't have the same kind of government (Turkey is a kind-of democracy) and because there is no outside support available (Assad has other things on his mind right now).

 

Take everything you read in the Turkish papers with a grain of salt. There are about one hundred writers in Turkish jails, although Hurriyet still has a few columnists that are not afraid to give their opinion of what's going on.

 

That would be pretty funny to have the Turks lose control of Anatolia (20th Century Turkey) ...... which used to be Christian Syria.

 

no (ten characters)

 

Alawites will kill Turkey one day, and its not my words ...

 

Ivan only part of Anatolia was Syria, the coast and Istanbul belonged to the original Greco/Romans, and a large chunk belonged to Armenia. After WWI they were trying with the Treaty of Sevres how to divide Turkey. Only the center part had a majority of Turks and was to remain in their hands. The rest was to be divided among the Greeks, Armenians, Italians, French Syria, and Britain.

The Europeans were fighting among themselves as who was to take what, when Attaturk popped up and began to exterminate the Christian populations. Turkey will lose control because the different Muslims sects that are still there like the Kurds and Alawites among others, have been persecuted and poorly treated by the Turks. Had they been more just towards them, rather than just lying and pretending to be just while they were killing and persecuting them, then the country might have survived. The way it looks now, it's not going to.

There was a Christian saint that said in the 1980's that Turkey will break up, and what is going on with the Kurds is the beginning of it. Seems almost unbelievable.

 

LOL That's bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Alevis in general are more loyal to Turkey than any religious Sunni Muslim would ever be. Most Alevis take pride in legacy of Atatürk and even Alevism itself is a Anatolian religion that combines Islam with with Tengriist traditions. This thread is far from reality and please don't confuse Alevis with Arab Alawites and claim Anatolia is Syrian, this makes you guys look ignorant. But yes, Alevis tend to face discrimination by Erdoğan however their reaction is just towards Erdoğan and his politican party itself, they dislike Erdoğan the same way I dislike Erdoğan. It has nothing to do with "dividing Turkey".

 

Yes Allied imperialists with their regional and Ottoman collobrators got a nice kick in the butt by bunch of Turkish rebels in aftermath of WWI when they tried to divide Anatolia into pieces as if they were slicing a cake into pieces. If you cooperate with those who invade the land and massacre Turkish population you deserve nothing less. Turks got only majority in Central Anatolia? LOL Do you believe Istanbul had Greek majority back then? Turkey isn't at war between difference Muslim sects likely in Syria, Iraq, Bahrain etc. Wake up, girl.

And Atatürk tried to exterminate Christian population? All Atatürk did was to organize Turks against foreign invaders and their regional cooperators, and he was sucessful about that. If it wasn't for Atatürk Turkey would've might end up in another stupid Islamic state, thank God for him bringing Turks reforms, secularism combined with nationalism. You should be thankful about that too, instead of having wet dreams about destruction of Turks. The Allies didn't invade Anatolia for sake of Christianity, they were there to do what they have done to Hungary.

 

you start to wright something interesting. the Alevis feel more and more isolated in the new democratic turkey , soon they start to act politically but they will never pass 10% what they gonna do then? all experts say if they unite with Kurds and other minorities it d be dead shot in the head of Turkish republic. the next election will be decisive

 

You have no clue what you're talking about. Most Alevis generally tend to vote for CHP since Kılıçdaroğlu is Alevi himself and as he tend to stand with Alevis and they dislike Erdoğan who's stupidly isolating them. I believe they also vote for other leftist parties. Their politics don't include "punishing Turkey", since they're still patriots, however they demand a change of government and they're rightful about that.

 

If the turkey doesnt get the gravy soon, gonna be one sad puppy.

 

the patriots of the old junta- regime not a new islamic-wahhabi turkey

 

So when will Turkey have it's "Arab Spring" so that the Muslim Brotherhood can take them over and launch an attack on Israel?

Geesh. What is taking them so frigg'in long?

 

They aren't "patriots of junta", dude everytime you come up with arguement it never excludes the word "junta", you see "junta" everywhere, it's (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hilarious. Yes they aren't fans of current regime, neither am I, but it seems you tiny knowledge lacks meaning of the word patriot.

 

i can change word junta to word kemalism, do you see my point new? ,current regime is a democratic regime...how Alevis can be patriots of a sunni islamic state?

 

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no.

anyone who knows anything about Turkey would be aware that it is highly unlikely.

I am also curious about how you worked out there were 25 million alawites in turkey.

 

attaturk was not an islamist. Turkey is a secular state.

I believe Breath said they were kemalists.

 

wrong , wrong , wrong!! Turkey has never been a secular state, it was ruled my secular military elite (junta)but not anymore

 

No I don't see you point of view because you don't make sense nor you ever made. You're just so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing brainwashed about "Kemalist = Fascist" and it's really far from reality. All your problem is you're ignorant but I really don't know who to blame for your ignorance. You've been here for years and you talk too much bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about Turkey with your obsession yet all you're doing is being a broken tape which is far from Turkey's reality. Educate yourself bigot.

That's like saying if you're an atheist American and you have a conservative government you are supposed to wish for destruction of USA.

From your source(s), which proves what I told you earlier:

Now go away and stop wasting my time

 

Clam down you uneducated troll. Turkey has always been secular state in law, even Erdoğan is secularist in some degree since he promoted secularism over Arab world in aftermath of Arab Spring.