Why do so many people want America to be a weak arse "Ghandi State"?

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  1. IrishLefty

    IrishLefty New Member

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    You are naive if you believe the United States acts only to protect itself and others, your nation has a long history of crushing democracy, and terrorizing populations around the globe. Perhaps reading into your nations involvement in Guatemala in 1954, or Chile in 1973, or El Salvador in the 1980s, or even East Timor in the 1990s would open your eyes.
     
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    Well then, let it be YOUR bones and blood. If you want war so bad, go fight one and stop yakking about it.
     
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    Those who were sent off to the crematoriums were Bolsheviks who wanted to do to Germany what they did to Russia, i.e., murder Christians by the millions. Sorry, but they weren't about peace and love any more than Pol Pot was about peace and love. 100 Speilberg movies ain't gonna prove otherwise.
     
  4. IrishLefty

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    ??? Not all those in the crematoriums were bolsheviks.
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    Sometimes, reality is very surreal (especially when it's handed to you in-the-raw.

    I'm not talking about "assault" (that's about crime); you went there.

    We agree there.

    I agree with that too.
     
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    No, and not all of those who were shot by the Bolsheviks (mainly for saving a potato for themselves) were Christian.
     
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    Didn't you know, deep down humanity is "good"? LOL.
     
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    Ghandi was not a weak man. He was beaten within an inch of his life several times and always stood back up to take more.
     
  9. FixingLosers

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    I would argue WMDs are a form of voucher for peace. Because none of the belligerent could afford the dire consequences.

    Should Iranian acquired nuclear weapons, they would win long-lasting peace for themselves.
     
  10. FixingLosers

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    1, a lot of them are not "ancient enemies"
    2, you don't stand in between them, you motherfather side with one of them and trash the other. It's barking dangerous.
     
  11. SiliconMagician

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    Other than the Koreas there has been conflict in all those regions for centuries right up until the 1970's.

    Because typically one of the two parties is far weaker than the other and in order to maintain a balance of power we must protect the weaker party.

    Japan for instance is Constitutionally limited in the size of its military. Without a Constitutional Crisis the Japanese are incapable of truly defending their maritime interests against a determined Chinese move in the region, and there have been plenty of provocations on the part of the Chinese regarding other nations in it's immediate region.

    Does anyone really think Israel can withstand another general Arab Israeli War? This is why Israel is so intransigent. They absolutely 100% believe(as do I) that the solving of the Palestinian Question in no way prevents a wider attack by the Arab world at large against Israel at some time in the future. Why make peace with Palis only to go to war later with the rest of the Muslim world on their terms rather than your own. It would be foolishness!

    So the USA has to intervene in such places because if the aggressive parties gain too much military superiority over their rivals they will seek to attack and eliminate them or expropriate valuable real estate, ocean or otherwise.
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Considering that even India is a nuclear state now, Kinda makes that peacenick thing really weak, huh? Ghandi my ass. The path of least resistance is straight down.
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's the thing. When we were fighting the Soviet / Chinese alliance, we needed all the friends we could get. When those nations elected regimes that would have been friendly to our enemies, it was in our interests to see them gone. Tough (*)(*)(*)(*). Too (*)(*)(*)(*)ed bad. We took out our enemies and you feel butt hurt about it. Keep whining.
     
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    It remembers me the book of George Orwell 1984: Peace is war. Seriously you are sick. You should read that book and learn from it.
     
  15. kilgram

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    Yeah, that's nice. USA call themselves as the defenders of the democracy but if that democracy in some other country goes against their interests, USA doesn't care to make a coup d'etat in that country to convert it in a dictatorship.

    USA is a totalitarian country, against the freedom. USA is a country that hates freedom. Yes, hates the freedom in the country or the freedom htat could have other countries.
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What an idiotic premise. That somebody wouldn't know how serious war is if they haven't been in one. I know I can get really hurt if I stick my hand into a chipper. I don't have to do it to know it.
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who the hell started that straw man about us being the defenders of democracy? We defend freedom. Two completely separate concepts. Democracy is evil. It's two dogs and a cat deciding on dinner. A constitutional representative republic is freedom. Democracy is stupid.

    That's why democrats are usefull idiots. And you don't have the first idea about freedom.
     
  18. FixingLosers

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    That's so factually erroneous, japanese navy is superior in terms of both quantity and quality. The chinese is so realistic about the situation that they shifted their focus to air force. While maintaining an army of considerable size.

    And historically speaking, japanese was always the aggressor, not the other way around.

    Israel is a nuclear-ready state and can totally mop the floor with any other surrounding arab nations. Israel could easily take egypt if they wanted.

    The point really isn't that US teams up with the weak so bullies don't get their ways, the reality is that US teams up actively and passionately with BULLIES so the weak could be easily pushed around and manipulated.

    Like I said, it's a dangerous game, since more and more weaker nations now actively seek to acquire nuclear weapons.

    If you don't know what a mushroom cloud in the middle of Manhattan feels like, revisit some 911 footage on youtube and times that with 1000.

    God darn you hardline hillie billies, god darn you.
     
  19. septimine

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    I think it's perfectly fine to defend our own interests. We have allies and we should defend them. The only time I get peeved on a war is when we start one for no discernable national interest. We shouldn't even be contemplating a war against Assad in Syria, it's not only not in our national interest, but it's actually better for the US to keep Assad around. Libya is the same kind of thing. Just what we needed -- a new Islamist state. We don't need to fight for Islamists just because they say they want an election. In fact, if there's a chance of Islamization, democracy is worse for human rights than dictatorships. Assad protects Christians in Syria, the Egyptian dictator did the same for the Copts, once the Islamic republic started, forget it. Now we find that Egypt was ready and willing to execute a 12 year old retarded kid.
     
  20. Pgraphicx

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    I am really sorry you feel that way but youre entiltled to your opinion. I don't think Jesus did anything that would cause us to call him names and that is not what this thread is about. Sure didn't take you long to switch the topic.
     

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