The War Within: GOP Meltdown (Conservative opinions needed!)

I have no clue but I do know that Soros has a history of destroying economies so he can make money. He has a history of working with the worst vermin the world has ever seen to get ahead (he was not only a Nazi supporter but voluntarily turned in other Jews to be executed).

the Koch brothers don't have that kind of history

 

*sigh*

another MSM drive by expert...

try googling Maxine Waters and the hearings on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac waaaay back in the mid 2000s; the real estate bubble wasn't caused by Republican policies.

and why would you want to HELP the Republicans? so you could lose to them? does that make sense? do you really think we are that stupid that we would buy your advice?

 

the GOP wasn't IN anyone's bedroom until the political shill, Stephanopolous, brought it up at the debate in early January...and Obama brought it up in mid Januarty...and the Democrats brought it up again in February....show me ONE instance before that when people's bedrooms was being talked about on the national stage.

see the Dem base is sooo easily led that Obama's people knew they would buy whatever meme they invented...they are the ones that counted on the dumb vote. His reelection is proof that the dumb outnumber the intelligent in this country..."OBAMAPHONE" woman is the perfect example of a Obama voter.

 

yet you can't offer one word to repudiate anything he said...thanks for playing!

 

that won't work when you have the media making every comment made by every state person a national issue and hanging it on the entire Republican party and all it's candidates...Stephanopolous brings up birth control and suddenly every Republican is asked about it and when they speak their personal beliefs, it's assumed every Republican everywhere believes the exact same way. with the MSM completely in the pocket of the Dems, there is no way your idea can work.

 

Oh please! If it wasn't Sandra Fluke in 2011-12, it was gay marriage, planned parenthood, etc. Don't try an act as if the GOP had somehow ascended their social plank between 2008 and 2012, didn't happen, and the existence of Aiken and Mourdock are proof of that. I'm sorry, but it is your side that' factually challenged. Tell me, which side created their own alternate reality guaranteeing a Romney landslide and casted aspersions on math and logic for 4 months? Which side has a media bubble which they refuse to leave, because dissenting opinions are just too difficult to handle? Not to mention the numerous studies concluding that Obama voters were more educated than Romney voters, and the residents of blue states have higher IQs on average.

What's your measuring stick again? Some idiot on a youtube video falsely attributing a subsidized phone program started by Reagan to Obama? Give me a break.

 

:shakes head woefully:

Minorities aren't impressed by tokenism. They care both how you talk to them and about them. Just to be clear, I don't mean engaging in political correctness. I mean showing people some basic respect and not being condescending. It means listening to their concerns instead of being dismissive. It means being receptive to other points of view. It means not tripping over your assumptions about the superiority of your own opinions.

It means not being a dick or insulting people just because you disagree with them.

It means leaving the safety of the echo chamber to engage people who don't look or sound like you, who don't share your religious beliefs, who come from a different socio-economic class, etc. etc. etc. 17x etc.

If you can't engage people who aren't just like you, you've already lost.

It also means trying to understand why people are offended by something you've said, instead of doubling down on being a jerk.

It means knocking off the partisan attacks and learning to work with the other side.

Can Republicans do these things? I see that the thread says "conservative opinions needed". There's that echo chamber thingy I mentioned above. I'm not saying you should sacrifice your 'conservative values'. I am saying that if you only talk to each other, you'll just continue to alienate those whom your rhetoric has made to feel like outsiders.

 

The alternate reality you conservatives have built around yourselves is why you look foolish and why you lost the election.

 

The bubble was caused by conservative policies, everyone knows that.
It can be proven and has been proven many times over.
Open your eyes.

 

Conservatives can't work with most African Americans because black folks are primarily interested in sitting on their butts and getting free stuff from the govt.

 

We hope you fail. Bad things are going to happen to the US during the next four years. These tragedies can be used against your side.

 

I think one makes too much of this.

Out of nearly 120 million votes cast, if 450,000 votes in four states were reversed, Romney would be President-elect. Hussein Obama did not get a mandate even though he acts that way with a blizzard of new regulations.

To a goodly extent, the GOP lost because it put too much effort into the "air war" and not enough into the "ground war." If some boots on the ground had gotten out a half-million stay-at-home Republicans the result would have have been narrowly different.

There is a case to be made the GOP used a poor database system. That is a problem that can be corrected.


"The Tea Party, on the other hand, is just crazy."

Taxcutter says:
That is a lie that the Democrats and the MSM told you and you are gullible enough to believe it. If being for less spending, less taxes, and less government is crazy, then the nation is simply finished. Why are you gullible enough to believe what the Democrats and MSM tell you? The Tea Party has no social agenda AT ALL. they have posted their manifesto online. Rachel Madcow does not get to define what the Tea Party is - except to fools.

 

Please keep lying to yourself, it puts Democrats in office.

 

so you COULDN'T find an example in THIS election cycle before Stephanopolous brought it up in the January debate...thank you for your concession!

now, as far as my 'measuring stick' goes, it isn't important WHEN the program started, what is important is that Obamaphone lady firmly BELIEVES it to be true...SHE thinks that she gots her ObamaPHONE because of Obama and she voted for more freebies.

 

so you are saying that Soros didn't work with the Nazis??


from his OWN mouth:


http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

 

provide the hearings, the regulations, what programs you blame for the bubble

I can call up these hearings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sKpzmojjfU

and this overview of the causes of the housing bubble, note that of the three acts deregulating the banking system, one was signed into law by Carter, one was cosponsored by a Democrat and one was sponsored by Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_United_States_housing_bubble

I shall now await your off the topic response attempting to divert from the subject since you realize I am right...

 

that and too many (of all races) have traded the physical signs of slavery for the more subtle form of slavery practiced by the Democrats where their lives are controlled from birth..

 

well it is easier to let someone else tell you what to think...people are busy, they've got video games to play and drugs to do..you can't expect them to think too.

it is interesting to read how in Philidelphia, in over 50 precincts not a single vote was for Romney...not ONE. Makes you say "HHMMMMMMMM"

and with the Democrat operatives with the Black Panthers going door to door, letting everyone know they have their addresses and personal information, who will stand up and protest the results?

 

Only if you're mathematically and geographically ignorant.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...ban-precincts/

As is often the case, the reality is less salacious than the conspiracy theory - a consequence of demography, not electoral shenanigans.

Most big cities are heavily Democratic to begin with, and geographic patterns of racial segregation may yield an even more one-sided electoral result in certain areas than in the city as a whole.

Obama's dominance was mostly confined to largely African-American areas of West and North Philadelphia. In the third division of Philadelphia's 28th Ward, for example, 94 percent of the residents are black, and the 2010 census recorded only seven white residents. Voter registration lists showed only 12 registered Republicans in the division, none of whom voted for Romney or responded to the Inquirer's requests for comment.


When there's only 12 registered Republicans to begin with, it's not that hard to see how Romney got zero votes, especially with Gary Johnson on the ballot.

And this is not exactly unprecedented. It's happened in previous elections:

And the outcome is not at all out of step with recent history - in 2008, 57 divisions in Philadelphia returned zero votes for then-GOP nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain. And in 2004, a more Republican-friendly election year, five Philadelphia divisions shut out former President George W. Bush entirely.

The self-inflicted conservative "information disadvantage" strikes again.

 

and since those 12 Republicans refused to respond, how do you KNOW they didnt vote for Romney?

and how very prejudiced of you to assume ALL Black people vote the same?

The fact that you know there are 12 Republicans in the district and claim to know how they voted in a 'secret' ballot may in fact (as I SAID) indicate a form of voter intimidation, how many people (validly or not) are disinclined to vote against the percieved majority out of fear that their ballots will be made public or that the Black Panthers will return to their door AFTER the election? Remember, we are talking here about people's perceptions NOT reality...we all know that people are easily persuaded to believe things that are not true, for example, the idea that Romney could 'ban' birth control.

 

Who cares? At most we're talking about 12 votes -- nowhere near enough to question the election. If those voters feel disenfranchised. I'm sure they'll speak up. But there's clearly no serious fraud involved.

LOL! Try again. Obama got 98% of the black vote and a nearly as big share of Democrats. So it's unsurprising that some precincts that are basically all-black and all-Democrat would give all their votes to Obama.

LOL! Get a life.

 

I do not think the GOP is going to fix their issues if all they learned from the election is that voter fraud got Obama re-elected. Just saying.....

 

As I pointed out here, that Stephanopoulos question didn't make sense until the HHS decree a month later. So I think it shows how clever and how detailed the White House interaction with the media was. The media didn't get the soundbite they were hoping for, but ultimately it didn't matter. The "War on Women" was a success.

 

It's hard to tell what the goals of the Republican establishment is. Some of their actions seem crazy. I assume only that winning elections is not one of their priorities. They got the candidate they wanted so...

 

Firstly. I hope your not insinuating that Republicans DONT lie. Romney might have been the biggest liar to run for president EVER.

1. Republicans DO have a social war going on. Its not particularly about women per say, but a lot of the policies they would like to enact specifically effect women greater than men.
2. I do believe that romney only really cares about people with wealth and influence. If he could, he would let every person on welfare starve and die. I dont think he cares one single iota for them.
3. The idea that Romney is responsible for that womans cancer is stupid.
4. Romney DID specialize in outsourcing.
5. At least we can agree here. Romney is one giant liar. And then lies about his lies. I have never seen anyone lay down so many lies in a campaign.
6. They arent trying to outlaw contraception, but they are trying to make access to it harder to obtain. ( Santorum DID want states to be allowed to outlaw all contraception though )
7. They dont want to close down PP cause of cancer screening. They want it closed down because it performs abortions. That is the only fractor that matters. All other services matter nothing. Abortion is the ONLY thing that matters. If they perform abortions, they should be closed ( as per conservative mantra ). The fact of the matter is, is that NO FEDERAL MONEY OR STATE MONEY goes to PP to help pay for abortions of ANY kind. And that of all the services that PP offers, only like .5% of them are abortions. But because they offer abortions, we must cut ALL F?UND?ING of ANY kind to them. (*)(*)(*)(*)ed be the consequences of the poor and impoverished people who rely on PP for services OTHER than abortion.
8. I think most of them would agree to putting all the latinos on the bus and getting rid of them. and the blacks. And the asians. There is a reason the GOP is made up of 95% white people ( and thats not an estimate, thats a fact )
9. I dont think republicans think rape is okay. However, I think their views on how to deal with rape really really REALLY suck.
10. Republicans have very little to do with gas prices. Same thing with the president. However, I think their desire to throw all environmental protections under the bus in the name of "energy independence" is disturbing. As well as their continued support for billions upon billions in subsidies to corporations that are already making record profits.
11. This is pretty much indeed what Romneys plan boiled down to. There is NO POSSIBLY MATHMATICALLY POSSIBLE WAY his budget would have worked without putting most of the burden on the middle and lower class.
12. He does not hate 50, or even 47% of the country. He simply doesnt give a crap about them in any way shape or form. Indifference is not the same as hate.
13. He wont "end" them. He would have gutted them though and caused the systems to crash. I believe purposely.

I agree. Democrats lie. Not as much as republicans though.