A Bus Exploded in Tel Aviv

In the srtict sense within the context of the topic it's moot, yes, but I just thought I'd give my opinion of the man since he was mentioned and to change direction and lighten things up a bit. It's just my subjective opinion, that's all. I happen to think that 'Imagine' is absolutely trite as a work of art, but there you go.

If you're interested, Jack, here's my ten favourite albums of all-time complete with my own brief commentaries. Music is a passion of mine:

www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=2892

Feel free to return to the topic if you want. Just thought I'd encourage us to change direction briefly.

 

I find some 'music' to be a corrosive force.

Not being pios or anything, but really, when once upon a time we produced fine composers, whose names are immortal, now we get freakshows, like Lady Gaga, Madonna (how sad is she now?), and so called black gangster music, that celebrates shooting and kiling.

I have to ask how and why this genre ever got thrust on our youth, I love a music sub culture, being that I am influenced by the Mod and Ska scene, but that was a true sub culture, not something perverse or evil even. And yes, it does matter imo, since the markets it is aimed at see these people as heroes, and then wish to emulate them, while not understanding that while they live in some crack infested estate, their heroes are living in mansions.

 

You make it look like being their mistake now?
Mate, return their land first, and when you need more land, do what other people do all over the world, purchase it legally.
Once you behave in a civilized manner, I am more then positive their aggression will come to an end, and yes, you guys need two independent states.
It is Israel, which is not respecting them....

 

What would happen, and I know it not likely, nor saying I encourage it, but I wonder how it would play out if those in Gaza and the WB convered, en masse, to Judaism! I dont know what the process is, how long or short it takes,but imagine that, what then..? There is probably nil chance, but it has happened before, in history, conversions for furtherment or gain, or whatever...

 

As both sides are hardened in their perception, I would think the world should vote over the destiny of Israel and Palestine!

What would you think the outcome would be?

If I carefully estimate, Israel might receive 20% of votes for its claim, and Palestine around 80%.

Would you accept the world's vote then?

Israel started the (*)(*)(*)(*) in taking their land since WW2, and that's pure evil!

 

Well, even with the heavy duty, but ultimately lying propaganda machine, and X number of duped Americans voting, yeah, I still say it would be along the lines of your %.

 

http://www.france24.com/en/20121122-twelve-rockets-hit-israel-after-truce-police

 

Such BS. You have fallen for the propaganda. If the land given to Israel by United Nations General Assembly in 47 is evil, what would all the other takeovers of land after war be? How about the 75% of the British Mandate of Palestine given to Jordan in 1923 only allowing the Jews East of the Jordan river?

 

Oh the UN gave Arab land to the Arabs, bit surprise there then or the bigger surprise the UN gave Arab land to a bunch of European Jews and that is what has caused the problem there. The Jews who owned just 6% of the land got given 56% of the land,they made up just 1/3rd of the population while the majority Arab/Palestinian population was given a minority of its own land, you have to wonder why they refused such a great deal like that.[sarc]

 

You seem to miss the fact that the other 75% had Jews but they were only allowed east of the Jordan river.

 

The arabs owned 40% of the land, they got 45% of the land. The Jews got 55% of the land, 70% of what they got was the Negev desert totally unsuitable for human life and agriculture at the time.

 

Your grasp of history is about as crap as it comes.

 

It was Arab land and it was given to the Jews and that is what has caused all the problems there, a fact you can take to the bank. Please stop complaining that the Jews did not get nice land,they should not have got the land they did get. The Jews owned 6% of the land and got 56% of it given to them by the UN, the Arabs who were the majority population got given the minority share of the land. The Jews made up just 1/3rd of the population.

As of 1914, Jews in Palestine (who were mostly persecuted European Jews) were under 8% of the total population and owned under 2% of the total land. Despite active British support for settling of even more persecuted European Jews in Palestine, as of 1947 Jews constituted only 33% of the total population (only one third of them gained Palestinian Citizenship).

It should be noted that many of these persecuted European Jews were illegal immigrants according to the Government of Palestine, which ceased to exist as of May 14th, 1948.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story574.html

 

The Jews did not actually get land, it's a complete misnomer. In 1947 30% of Palestinians were Jews, residing legally in Palestine. They did not get Arab land, they got a tiny state in which they were a slim majority. The land was to belong to its lawful private owners, Jews, Arabs, Christians... Reasonable Arabs who stayed and did not declare war on the Jewish state retained their land, their houses, businesses, property and their full citizenship rights...Islamofascist arab racists (like you) who decided that it was beneath their dignity to reside in a Jewish majority state and declared war on Israel ended up in refugee camps where they belonged.

 

Are you for real? I know in your fantasy version of history it might seem so but in the real world that we live in you are wrong, my pet dog knows that much.

 

Having a state in which they are a majority and taking the possession of someone else's property (i.e land) are two entirely different things. Even complete idiots should understand this. Arabs loyal to Israel who did not declare war to wipe Israel off the map and drive the jews into the sea lost nothing, they and their descendents are proud citizens of a great western democracy.. One million jews of the arab world on the other hand were robbed and expelled from their corresponding arab countries despite their loyalty to their states. Israel took care of Jewish refugees persecuted in the Arab world. The arab world did not take care of Arab refugees which they themselves created.

 

Luckily nobody died in this bombing. It must have been a Hamas no-kill bomb, like the thousands of ineffective rockets they fire.

 

Oh please, I have read enough bullcrap today thanks and do not need your repeated false rantings clogging up the airwaves. Lets just leave it at your BS version of history verses the actual historical facts that I relate. You can continue to post fantasy, no one is going to stop you doing that but no one with an ounce of sense will believe any of the crap you post. You are never ever going to convince me that your fictional accounts are true, I have read a lot about this subject and I know what is what. I have heard all the pro Israeli falsehoods that you post here all over the Internet for years and they fool no one. I see no point continuing to answer someone who just spreads untruths about history.

 

That hamas is ineffective and Israel shines at civil defense and the protection of its citizens is not in dispute. I fail to see how it's supposed to help your attempts to portray Hamas as the good guys. They are and have always been blood-thirsty Islamofascist murderers and yes, they are also a major failure... No wonder the perpetual murderous losers - Palestinians and Brits love them.

 

I was just kidding, dont get all touchy here...

 

Long live Heavy Metal.

 

We? If you lived in the real world you would have enough critique of sources not to use a source like palestineremembered.com. Failing to indoctrinate anyone else and having to turn on your pet dog filling him with your "real world" is verging on animal abuse.

 

There is nothing wrong with Palestineremembered at all, it is very well sourced to original documents including the British survey of Palestine and everything that deals with the Mandate/Balfour etc and those are the reasons that I use it but being as you deal in fiction you would not like it.That you would even consider criticising such an outstanding historical records source says all there needs to be said about your bullcrap pro Israeli agenda.

 

A good chunk of them were not there legally. They were, in effect, illegal immigrants.

I had a professor whose family belonged to a Maronite militia that smuggled in Jews. This went on long after the 1880s.

 

Even in my life time. We only needs look in the BBC archives. Americanism 'killed' something in every one..