Time for the world to get tough with Israel.

Immigration (as well as illegal immigration) increased dramatically before/during WWII.

 

Yes.. they did.. they were escaping the progroms in Europe.. The population of Palestine doubled during those years with an influx of European refugees.

 

The history of the Bible says that the land was originally in the hands of Israel. Another thing, alls fair in war, the Palestinians took their risk, and lost everything.

 

No.. in 1948 they owned 6% of the land.. and by then the terror gangs had killed 400 British peacekeepers.. This was not a peaceful movement ...

 

You might actually read the Bible.. Arabs have been in Palestine since Abraham.. Never in its history was it exclusively Jewish..

And, the Palestinians are descended from first century Jewish farmers who didn't leave.

 

Not a legally binding document.

So there is nothing wrong with the Palestinians continuing to shell Israel.

 

The Arabs began their attacks within hours after the UN decision.

After the vote was announced, the six Arab delegations of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen stormed out threatening war and the annihilation of the Palestinian Jews. Pakistan’s delegation followed suit. The Arab national movement in Palestine, as well as all the Arab states, angrily rejected partition. They demanded the entire country for themselves and threatened to resist partition by force. Had they acceptedthe UN proposal in 1947, the independent Palestinian Arab state, covering an area much larger than Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza, would have been created along with Israel. Instead, they rejected the plan and launched a war to destroy the nascent Jewish state.

Almost immediately there was Arab violence against the Jews in Palestine. Mordechai Palzur, the former chief of protocol at the Israeli Foreign Ministry, quotes a report published in Foreign Relations of the United States 1947 by Robert Macatee, consul general of Jerusalem:
•It is tragic that many of the present casualties comprise innocent and harmless people going about their daily business. They are picked off while riding in buses, walking along the streets and stray shots even find them while asleep in their beds. A Jewish woman, mother of five children, was shot in Jerusalem while hanging out clothes on the roof. The ambulance rushing her to the hospital was machine gunned and finally the mourners following her to the funeral were attacked and one of them was stabbed to death.

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee’s spokesman, told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:
•The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_un_role.php

 

You may find that God will have the final say about that.

 

The Jewish terror gangs were organized in 1922... Check your source......

 

No.. in 1948 they owned 6% of the land.. and by then the terror gangs had killed 400 British peacekeepers.. This was not a peaceful movement ...

Not denying there was all kinds of fighting going on. Most of that was because of such a big influx of Jews coming in and Arabs being moved off land they were squatting on with the owners permission. Even then, Jews were paying to move them off. But Jews were not stealing Arab land. They were buying it up and Arab leaders were threatening their own people with death if they sold anymore to the Jews.

 

What do the nazi- supporters care about mere history? The Master Race can alter all that old rubbish at will.

 

When the machinery asks me if I want to leave this page, what am I supposed to say? Either answer seems to result in double posting. It is a bore!

 

Those Jewish terror gangs were originally formed to protect Jews being attacked. There was all kinds of fighting going on before the UN decision on dividing up Palestine. But the first attacks after the UN decision, was done by Arabs, within hours of that decision.

 

They were formed to kill the native people of the country, as you very well know.

 

Attacked by whom?

The bedu stole from Jews and Arabs alike... but it was the Europeans who looked down on the Arabs and had socialist riots among the factions.. The Palestinians had never heard of Marx.

 

The Role of Jewish Defense Organizations in Palestine


www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/defense.html


In the riots of 1920, he and Pinchas Rutenberg organized a defense force to ... Zvi (later second president of Israel) to protect the early settlements against Arab mob violence. .... It was also known as Lehi, F.F.I., and the Stern Gang. ...... The members went on to found political parties and become respected citizens of Israel.

 

This is almost funny Margot. I started this thread to give the Arab view of what happened and after you got on, I seem to have been forced to give the Jewish side.

 

Sure they can, if they want to lose...again!

 

Re; your last point. Most Americans don't get to see a fair representation of the Israel/Palestine situation in their media, and therefore cannot reach a balanced opinion. Naturally Israel loves this, as seldom is Israel reported in a negative light, as opposed to the Palestinians who continue to be vilified in the mass media.

 

I understand .. I see your source material.

Palestine was very diverse with a Muslim majority. The next largest group were Christians... then pious Jews who spoke Arabic.

But, there were some 26 nationalities represented in minority groups. It was sleepy, politically apathetic backwater... Shepherds, merchants, small factories and farmers who eked out a meager living on narrow terraces that had been repaired and repaired since Roman times... and bedouin..

Enter European refugees seeking sanctuary.. mostly socialists.. who did not speak Arabic and who had a communal, free love vision of society.

 

Nice to know that you support ethnic cleansing.

How very Christian of you.

 

HItler always said the same. We got him, and we'll get his followers in due time. How can you look in a mirror in the morning with all those childrens' blood all over you?

 

HItler always said the same. We got him, and we'll get his followers in due time. How can you look in a mirror in the morning with all those childrens' blood all over you?

 

Thats about right. And they all got along fine until the influx of Jews started coming in around 1870 and wanted to buy up all of Palestine for a state so they could control their own lives. But everything got out of hand when the war started and both sides were promised a homeland and Arabs thought that Palestine was to be theirs. Then Jews started coming in by the boatloads. Figuring that they would have a state in Palestine. That's when all hell broke out. The British and French are the reasons the Middle East is in such a mess today. They even caused the split of Lebanon from Syria, which has caused so much trouble there for years. Installed heads of states, or Kings in new nations that were created. Now we are right in the middle of it. Not England or France.

 

Both Israel and Palestineans have legitimate grievances and neither are going away.

Settlements on the West Bank just throw gasoline on the fire.

The U.S. can't directly tell Israel what to do.

But we can reduce U.S. aid accordingly- $1,000,000 reduction in aid for each new house built in the West Bank would be noticed, and Israel would have complete control over the decision of whether to forego the aid or not.

It really would be a win/win for the U.S.- we either reduce expenditures or reduce settlements.

And by the way- to be fair- I am all in favor of a similar approach to Egypt as far as aid is concerned.

I don't believe we provide any direct aid to Palestinean states but if we do- same thing regarding attacks and rockets.