Time for the world to get tough with Israel.

The palestinians should go to Syria and Jordan,and get their land back from those who actually have it.

Meanwhile rockets continue to rain into Israel. Every bit of land Israel gives back to the worms of allah, who lost the land attacking Israel, is immediately used as a new rocket launching area, to attack Israel again...

 

The first 6,000 Jews who went to the Holy Lands in the late 1800s failed at farming .. turned around and went home.

The Arabs fought with the Brits to free Palestine from the Ottomans... The European Jews did not.

By 1956 France and Britain were sick to death of Palestine and the Zionists.

 

Complete madeup nonsense. The muslims have oppressed the Jews in palestine from Day One.
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The Myth of Moslem-Jewish coexistence in "Palestine"

When the Jews' revival of their nation was still a persistent dream in the prayers of worldwide Jewry, and most "Palestinian Jews" were still clinging to their holy cities, the Koranic-inspired discriminatory practices, along with periodic pillage and slaughter of the Jew, had extended to Palestine. The myth of "harmony among Jews and Arabs," of "equality," and "fraternity" for Jews within a Muslim, Arabic-speaking Palestine has been invented, as the means to an unequal end.

Through the centuries of conquest and oppression, as the Palestine Royal Commission reported in 1937, despite seemingly insurmountable odds, "a number of... [Jews] clung throughout the centuries ... to what had once been their national soil."[3] The history of those Jews who stubbornly survived other massacres in their homeland to confront Muslim "fraternity" is stained by the same Muslim Jew-hatred that permeated Muslim communities throughout the Arab world. The same myth of harmony that has been perpetuated about the Arab world-in Yasser Arafat's assertion that ". . . we have been living with each other in peace and fraternity, Muslims, Jews and Christians, for many centuries"[4] -- has been engaged specifically as a weapon to attack the Jewish state. The "peaceloving Palestinians," goes the myth, were running from "Jewish terrorism."

In fact, so thorough has the rewriting of history been that some Jews themselves have accepted the allegation that the "Palestinian Arabs" are simply using "Jewish tactics" to gain statehood when the Arab terrorists attack in and outside Israel.[5] The Arab propaganda slogan today is that the Jews are "Nazis" in "Palestine." [6]


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http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/coexistence.html

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Spare me the islamist mythology, please.....about how "tolerant" the muslims have been to the Jews in palestine....

 

Really? Then why not go elsewhere?

 

It would have made no difference. The mentality of the Israelis is take, take, take. After all, they are the superior people and they own all the lands they have invaded, right?

The Christian Israelites we call Palestinians are just animals in the Israeli mind. Kicking them off the land is like chasing rabbits out of your garden, right?

 

Who cares what the Bible said? What kind of argument is that anyway?

 

You assume this, compared to Iran who blatantly says it every year or so and Hamas who have it written on their charter=) Yes, Palestinians voted people in who openly proclaim they want to kill every Jew. Yet, certain countries support these lunatics. Please, get educated.

 

Thanks for all of this, Britain.....

Anyway, I don't think Israel owes us anything. I also don't think we owe them anything. I think we need to cut aid, end our presence with them, and let them figure all of this out on their own. They wanted to be there, now they need to deal with it.

 

Are you still peddling that crap accusing the Israelis of being Nazi's?

That's dumb.

The Arabs sided with Hitler in WWII and have been carrying on his legacy since he died.

 

I tend to agree with your post. In fact the US is going to build an air force complex for Israel.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/30/world/meast/israeli-air-force-complex/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

Because its war.

 

Why does this always go back to what Jews did before 1948? If Jews left the Holy Lands I can quote the Koran to say why, and the Hamas Charter quoting the Koran to say why. What relevance does it have to getting tough on pre-1967 borders?

“Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfills the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;”
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/67/L.28

It says right there, “the occupation that began in 1967.”

We should be discussing “the occupation that began in 1967,” not the 1800’s and every verse in the Koran that explains why Jews would flee or the treaty with the Ottomans:

“ARTICLE 95.
The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The Mandatory undertakes to appoint as soon as possible a special Commission to study and regulate all questions and claims relating to the different religious communities. In the composition of this Commission the religious interests concerned will be taken into account. The Chairman of the Commission will be appointed by the Council of the League of Nations.” http://www.hri.org/docs/sevres/part2.html

“Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;” http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/67/L.28

That does not say anything about Jews lounging on Ottomans, it says “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967.”

So can we discuss getting tough on Israel over the “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967,” or do you wish to prove once again that the Arab religion has always only been about subjugation of Jews and to be fair the Jews are justified in doing the same on their historic land when the Koran says the Torah is to be followed and the Torah gives them that land for all time?

 

I was responding to another poster.............

The point is that Arabs have always lived in the Holy Lands.. Who do you think planted al those ancient olive trees?

 

Bloody right is it.

I said it here http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/278602-invaders-called-task.html when I said - Just WHO do these people THINK they effin well are?

Their petulance has no equal.

Their arrogance no equal.

Their lack of any gratiude, there for all to see, about anything, ever.

They are like those messed up people that are empty inside, no matter what you do, you can never appease them.

A little state of 6million people, pompous, acting like litte gods, behaving like no laws, moral, rules, and ethics, can ever apply to them.

The world is sick of them, and the politicians of most countries know this, which is why you will see them have to reflect that in their new attitude toward Israel. It starts with things like that vote last week, it progresses to two powerful nations like France and Britian, and Turkey actually, starting to use stronger language, merited I may add, and still they just will not stop their ways.

We are at a crossroads and need to put this pissant little state in it's place, once and for all. It's not just about this latest action, it is ALL of it.

Israel can trade with Micronesia, Panama, and AIPAC. The rest should place sanctions on them, lift those on Iran.

If Israel want to raise the bar, and dare talk to a France/Britian/Russia/Turkey, as they do to the US President, stuff it, Britian/France/Russia/Turkey should respond in kind, take out our own red pen, draw our own cartoon bomb, and set of borders, and give these punks one year to give up their nukes, and return to the pre 67 lines. They want to go on being arrogant, or threaten any of the above? Fine.

Please. Do try it, Israel. Don't expect the US to come running to help you, in that scenario, you would finally have kicked the backside out of your relationship with them, as well. There is no way that the US would defend you, in that scenario.

 

There is only one sane, reasonable, and civilized group in Palestine and it is not the Arabs.

The Jews are not the one causing the violence.

It is the people who put explosives on their backs and blow up a marketplace full of innocent people for no reason other than to terrorize.

 

Most people know that Jews lie a lot.

And that Jews never take personal responsibilty for their own behaviours, always whinging, and blaming someone else.

They always have.

They did it post WW2.

They did it during.

They do it now.

Jews lie a lot, and that is one of the reasons why, time after time, century after century, place after place, no one likes them.

 

The Jews are notorious for being difficult to deal with.

They nearly drove God to distraction in the Old Testament many times.

But when a peaceful solution was offered in 1948 by the UN to the Jewish-Arab conflict only the Jews acted reasonably.

 

BS.

And I don't care about 'gods'.

I pay more attention to what these men say..

[video=youtube;a3E2NcC0x20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3E2NcC0x20[/video]

Non Jewish Americans and those not brain damaged by Ziocaine need to get some pride back.

[video=youtube;VGsGq4u-E8g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGsGq4u-E8g[/video]

 

BS.

And I don't care about 'gods'.

I pay more attention to what these men say..

[video=youtube;a3E2NcC0x20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3E2NcC0x20[/video]

Non Jewish Americans and those not brain damaged by Ziocaine need to get some pride back.

[video=youtube;VGsGq4u-E8g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGsGq4u-E8g[/video]

 

You're an old grouch even when people agree with you.

Which I did by saying that the Jews can be difficult to deal with at times.

But the crazy Arabs murder innocent people when they don't get their way and that is even less cool.

 

How many Jews do you deal with on a regular basis to form such conclusions? The reasons Jews are hated by ignorant people is because of jealousy. Consistently we outperform and excel in everything we generally do and ignorant people hate that. Generations of passing down the correct traits, teaching the correct values breeds success. Our families are closer. Our wallets are on average, bigger, when you consider how few of us there are. Our aspirations are always high. Some people hate success, so they demonize those with it. The hate comes from a very old emotion. Jealousy. Always has, always will.

 

My mate can be difficult to deal with, she talks over people, and doesn't hear very well.

A customer in a shop that is known to moan a lot, is difficult to deal with.

While I accept that all can be afflicted re ammorality, there is no doubt in my mind, esp when you factor in the relative small numbers, that proportionately, I find Jews lie, and are more ammoral, than any other group of people. Not on an individual basis, as I am sure there are Jews that are truth tellers, just as I am sure that there is slimey Shabbot goy who are liars, but as a collective, I find Jews the most ammoral and deceptive of all. Little surprise that the global media lies so much, when in fact, it is run, owned, and for Jews. The nature that I speak of, has simply been reflected into the media they dominate.

Do you honestly think 'crazy Arabs' are just going around 'wanting to murder the Jews', and that one day, they woke up on Jew hating side of the bed?

Of course not. In terms of CIVILIAN casualties, the Jews have murdered many more innocent Arabs (some Christians too), than any Jewish civilains being killed.

If you stole my house and called it your own, leaving my family out on the street, I would kill you.

If you had done the above, and killed one of my family, I would kill you, bring you back to life, then kill you all over again.

I'd despise you, and all that you stood for. And so would you, if placed it that situation, for 45yrs.

Most of the 'Jews' in the so called Holy Land are not even religous, at all. It may be as low as 10%. Sure, when dummy Christians from the US visit, they are sure to show them the surface, while some arrogant guide in a skullcap relives them of yet more money, but the reality is that these so called 'Jews' are mostly not religous AT ALL, and engage in perhaps the most deviant behaviours, in relation to their adult population. It is a moral sickness.

You just cannot grap to what degree you have been deceived by these 'Jews', do you honestly think that when they began moving there, often illegally, that the image you have in your mind, is of some sort of 'Schindlers List' concept, of humble wee Jews that could play instruments?

For the love of god, those that went there, by choice, those that went on to plant the seeds of what you now call 'Israel', they were the worse of people, and between them, they fashioned almost like a bastard child of two things.

On one hand, you had the Jews that had come from Russia and Poland. These were all communist Jews, card carrying communist Jews, not the stupid effing image you average 68IQ American may have of 'communists', look up the Katlyn Forest Massacre - THAT sort of 'communism'.

Then, added to that, you had the German AshkeNAZI Jews, and they were absolute fans of the National Socialist/Fascist model.

Each brought it's dark seed to the ME. What you have seen for 64yrs is the ugly child born from that.

 

Usual Judaic fall back postion and arrogance.

Listen, for your narrative to be true, then all of Christianity, in many different lands, the Romans, Germans, most of Europe, Russians, Arabs, and blacks must ALL be 'jealous'.

Hardly.

Of what?

Subjecting our children to torture and sadism, within the first moments of it's life?

Branding them forever, with the above, despite it having health problems and psychological problems attached?

Letting an old man, not medically qualified, sexually abuse kids, by placing his mouth on their penis..?

Having the biggest welfare state in the world?

Stealing all the time.

Lying ALL the time.

Historically, and still today, creation tensions between two or more groups?

Making up fables about their own imminent demise?

Plagarism?

Usury?

Etc..

 

Jews are not hated by everyone.. They get along just fine all over Europe, South America, the US and Canada... but, Israel has betrayed every single US president since Truman... and given any chance for peace the Israelis will screw it up... Like building 3,000 more Jewish only settlement homes.

 

I think he or she means that, you know, on 109 seperate occasions, and with many different cultures and people, be they Christian, or whatever, that because Jews were expelled, over and over, this must mean - all Jews were hated, just because everyone else, and I mean everyone else, hated them, for no reasons, whatsoever.

That Jews were innocent of everything, and never created their own antipathy, to any level, at all. That one morning, the people of 109 lands, woke up on the Jew hating side of the bed, and this Jew hating was enough for them. And for no reasons at all, they all just began to hate on Jews, because they were all 'jealous'.

This is the only possible narrative in the minds of many of them, any other narrative would mean taking responsibility.