Question for Chrisians

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Would you please explain why, when you can have nativity scenes out in front of your churches, your private homes, your private stores, any of your private properties and I see them ALL OVER the various cities and towns I travel through in my daily business you demand a nativity be placed on government property?

    And please do so without attacking people not of the Christian faith....................just explain the necessity of doing so. Why you choose to make a battle out it.
     
  2. Mac-7

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    I guess your question represents the Balkanization of America.

    We used to be one people and no one ever questioned a Nativity scene on public property.

    But now that the melting pot has become a smorgasbord we are all fighting with each other.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    So again why do Christians fight to have their nativity scenes placed on government property when they are free to place them all over the town/city/county/state on every church ground, every Christian yard, every Christian owned store and piece of property.
     
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    I wonder how long that will last?

    The God-haters are on the march.

    Just because they have driven Christians off public land does not mean they will tolerate expressions of Christ anywhere that it can be seen by the public.

    http://www.costaricantimes.com/chur...stmas-charlie-brown-over-atheist-outrage/8635

     
  5. Bluesguy

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    Again, can you answer without attacking or smearing those not of the Christian faith, can you support the proposition on it's own merits?
     
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    You're asking me for a legal ruling on what is or is not allowed?

    That has already been decided by the anti-God libs on the US Supreme Court.

    They say God is out so what do you want me to say?


    http://www.costaricantimes.com/churc...t-outrage/8635

     
  7. Marine1

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    Since most people are religious and Christians in this country. Many think it would be nice to put it on some government property where more people can see it. I mean it only happens during Christmas. I have to wonder why some people are so thin skinned that seeing it on government property bothers them so much? I would bet atheist have no problem taking Christmas off from work when it falls on a work day instead of telling their boss, they'll work that day because you don't believe in Christ. I think we all go along with things we don't like or believe in.
     
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    First learn how to spell, second, I don't see anyone demanding it. It has been a tradition in many towns for decades if not centuries in this country.

    The ones demanding things are the people who want them removed.

    Why are you so upset if you see a nativity scene on government property? Are you upset when you see crosses and stars of David on national cemetery property?
     
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    The Constitution guarentees us freedom of religion. There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. All it says is that CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION.

    CANT ALL OF THE NITWIT ATHEIST AND LIBERALS GET IT THRU THEIR THICK HEADS A NATIVITY SCENE ANYWHERE IS NOT CONGRESS NAMING SOME SPECIFIC CHURCH THE OFFICIAL CHURCH OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    No clue.
    If we place a nativity scene, then I wouldn't object to placing other scenes from other religions.
    I guess one might argue that the nation is "under God" (Christian), but that doesn't mean that a nativity scene is REQUIRED or should be DEMANDED.

    Personally, I would say no - save tax dollars please, regardless of how cheap it may be.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    No and no way one would interpret my post as doing so.

    In your own words please answer.
     
  12. Marine1

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    This is true. Up until 1947 when the USSC mistakenly voted 5-4 for separation of church and state, we never had the problem we have today. That is because the First Amendment doesn't mean separation. We have never had separation before 1947. You can see that with (In God We Trust ) on our coins and paper money. You can see that with the (GOVERNMENT) making Christmas and Thanksgiving National Holidays. It was a stupid USSC ruling.
     
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    Most people don't go downtown to public buildings but they are all over the rest of the city and town and where nativity scenes are ABUNDANTLY visible.
    Again, without attack those not of the Christian faith please explain why Christians, in spite of the fact they have thier religious displays on displays all over towns and cities at this time, insist on them being placed on government property.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    First deal with the issue.
    Second don'tt be obtuse.

    Again, without attacking those not of the Christian faith please explain why Christians demand their religious symbol of the nativity be placed on government property when they are on display all over the cities and towns of this country already?
     
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    No link...

    10char
     
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    He did answer you, because that's the way it has always been done.
     
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    I'll repeat what I said before.

    Up until 1947 when the USSC mistakenly voted 5-4 for separation of church and state, we never had the problem we have today. That is because the First Amendment doesn't mean separation. We have never had separation before 1947. You can see that with (In God We Trust ) on our coins and paper money. You can see that with the (GOVERNMENT) making Christmas and Thanksgiving National Holidays. It was a stupid USSC ruling.
     
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    That way of thinking could help support reinstallation of slavery...
     
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    Because they're theocrats who want fundamentalist/evangelical Christianity as our official national religion.

    period...end of story.
     
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    Who said Christians are 'DEMANDING" these scenes be placed in front of government venues? The problem we have is when a lowlife/nobody atheist demands we take them down once they are already up.
     
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    Its simple religious has the right to freely practice within fair restrictions we all seem to agree for example polygamy is illegal and you can sacrifice humans if they volunteer for it - right. So I would say keeping public spaces religious neutral is fine since if you allow one faith you must therefore allow all use of the public space - if you were a Christian would you like next to your nativity scene a satanist alter mocking it, technically satanism is also a religion and would have the same rights as your faith?
     
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    Because we ARE ONE Nation under GOD...The only living God, whom the Son of God is Jesus Christ...That of which We as Americans and Christians will follow, From the Beginning of our Nation to it's end!
     
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    As a Christian I am not bothered by a menorah or a mosque. Neither is a threat to me.
     
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    I'm sure there are some that do, but most don't. What I think is more true, are those certain people that are atheist are using the 1947 USSC ruling of separation as a weapon of power they can use against Christians. They like having the power they wouldn't normally have.
     
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    Most Christians know the depiction of a winter solstice nativity is as mythically-based as decorating an evergreen, a practice that pre-dates Christianity and was adopted and perpetuated by them, but it is a harmless seasonal custom many folks enjoy. No Christian theologian would suggest it commemorates or imposes their dogma.

    Its portrayal in the public square secularizes it more than it imparts a sectarian claim upon the non-denominational space. Of course, all religionists should be accorded the same opportunity to celebrate their festive occasions publicly if they so desire. That is, in its inclusivity, an ennobling humanistic pursuit.

    There is agreement, even among religious fanatics, to call next month "January" but that does not mean we are worshipping Janus, nor does saying today is "Thursday" peg anyone as a worshipper of Thor.

    There is a rich accretive legacy that pervades culture. Attaching undo significance to any particular instance is a petty quibble.
     

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