Homosexuality is a Mental Disorder

My mistake, it was jeff who aknowledged that bisexual and lesbian women combined have higher rates of STDs

 

Well, your opinion is ignorant as (*)(*)(*)(*) and not based in any fact whatsoever.

 

The fact that this math only works out when you combine them might be interesting to try and understand why. I mean, it's obviously not JUST the homosexuality that leads to the higher STD rates among lesbian + bisexual women, because he lesbian segment alone has lower rates. Nor is it the fact that the bisexual women are sleeping with men that's directly causing the higher STD rates, because again, purely heterosxual women have lower STD rates than bisexuals. One can only conclude that there is some sort of cultural difference more common among bisexual women than among those who are purely lesbian or purely straight.

 

It's difficult to say, as the study was purely behavioral, not based on self-identity. Many of the "bisexuals" in the story may have actually been lesbian/straight in identity and/or preference, just as the lesbians/straights could have been bisexual in identity and/or preference.

The only conclusion I can draw from it, as I stated above, is that homosexuality isn't inherently linked linked with higher STD rates, there appears to be something unique (or more common) among the culture of women who are willing to have sex with members of both sexes, where they are either willing to do it more frequently, more unsafely, or both.

 

It's not a handicap by any reasonable definition of the word, and an important part of something being a "mental issue" is that it's an "issue" to begin with. Yes, homosexuality is not "normal". However, if you want to call it abnormal as a result, you have to strip away most if not all of the connotations attached to "abnormal" as a word. There's certainly nothing wrong with homosexuality. Homosexuals do not inherently suffer as a result of their orientation. Homosexuality simply fails to fulfill the qualities of a mental illness in DSM-II, DSM-III, DSM-IV, and DSM-V, because it is not inherently harmful. There's nothing else to say on the matter.

But a role that they could theoretically provide, should the need arise. What's more, the procreation of the species is going splendidly, without the help of the % of homosexuals present.

It shows that it's entirely natural.

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The self-loathing comes from a society that spends much of their lives telling them that they're worthless trash. From parents, who unwittingly tell their closeted, gay children that homosexuals should burn in hell for all eternity. From schoolmates, who mercilessly ostracize and harass the clear "other" that their parents taught them to hate in church. From religion, which teaches LGBT youth that they're evil, and flawed in some way. You're blaming the victim here, and I don't appreciate it. Among gays with solid support networks, in places where it's okay to be gay, you don't see these problems. Shame those places are so few and far between.

Anger issues? Gay youth are tormented through high school, often with no support network whatsoever, and laws in place to ensure that it stays that way. The results are pretty much what you expect. Suicide is the leading cause of death among LGBT youth because they are made to feel both worthless and unsafe in their school environment, and often unwanted in their own homes. LGBT youth is more often homeless because of parents who can't deal with the idea that their children are gay. LGBT youth are more likely to have unsafe sex or take drugs because desperate, depressed people often do desperate things just to feel happy. And then you sit here and tell me that all these things - things that LGBT youth are the victims of - are signs that homosexuality is a mental dysfunction? Yeah, I'm liable to get pissed about that.

 

You are correct. And what you expressed above, is the main reason that I'm not going to tolerate 'homophobia' very much anymore. I'm going to treat it like drunkenness, behind the wheel of a car; it is wholly unacceptable. All it does is destroy people's well-being even their lives.

A lot of people want to blame the victim... because it gives them the false impression that are not responsible for many of the problems they would criticize or complain about.

Bottom line, homophobia is unacceptable.

 

it is definitely abnormal behaviour

 

It also works when you define lesbians as those who identify themselves as lesbians.

 

You label opposition to gay marriage as homophobia

 

That's because society, taken as a whole, treats them like crap. Perhaps we should stop doing that?

 

Define abnormal, and then tell me what connotations you take with it.

 

i dont want a Definition fight. most words are already defined but my connotation i take with it is: immoral and against natural order, deviant

 

"The word homophobia is a neologism first coined by psychologist George Weinberg in his book Society and the Healthy Homosexual in 1972. Homophobia is a neologism coined to reflect a theory that violence towards homosexuals was rooted in an irrational fear of homosexuality, which in turn was a result of the "homophobic's" own homosexual urges."

The guy just made it up. There is no scientific evidence any such thing is real. I have never been mean to anyone because they have a mental or physical dysfunction. If the truth offends you that's too bad. It does not help to pretend a lie is truth. Our efforts should be on finding a cure not procreating a lie.

 

I won't argue against your definition, I just need to know what it is. What I will argue is that homosexuality is immoral or against the natural order, or that "deviant" is a word with any meaning. Homosexuality is a completely consensual act between two adults that effects only those participating therein. It's as much a sin as the occasional handcuffs game. Against the natural order is also wrong, seeing as there has been observed homosexuality within most mammal and bird species, and there's absolutely no reason to believe that homosexuality does not lie within the normal range of human sexuality (and there are a few relatively convincing EvoPsych hypotheses to back up the idea that homosexuality is an evolved trait. And deviant? What does that even mean? "Something I don't like"? You're entitled to your opinion, but you're pretty clearly wrong.

And yet, there's no evidence that this dysfunction has any real negative effects on people. There's nothing there to actually cure.

 

There are always reasons why people take the time to either disparage the lives of others or analyze the lives of others in a negative or non accepting manner. This suggests a fear and in this case a fear of homosexuality. While there is no real measurable effects of this orientation being "contagious" or affecting the life of the person who originated this thread, there may well be a underlying personal fear that this person feels regarding his or her actually wanting to experience the homosexual lifestyle without the obvious perhaps very negative repercussions from their social or family circle. The real and measurably felt concerns for that which is not related directly or even indirectly to a person's life is usually not expressed openly especially when it is predictably dangerous. The person starting this thread, IOWs, is probably gay.

 

ok i use abnormal as "against natural order" and maybe with a taste of "perverted". there are so many intellectuals, People with University degrees who back up homosexuality, but to me it is clear that natural order is men and women and not men and men or women and women. i dont Need any psychological study to Twist things, reality can be always twisted. if i paid 100 intellectuals to confirm homosexuality is sociophatic behaviour they would come up with tons of scientific studies to back up my Claim.

 

Well there is certainly the inherent, elevated risk of STDs transmission of anal sex among homosexual men. And then the inherent absence of the risk of pregnancy and the prevalence of unprotected sex because of that absence of risk. And also the absence of the importance of monogamy in determining paternity among homosexuals and the prevalence of multiple sexual partners prevalent among homosexuals.
Most self identified lesbians also have sex with men. Of those that do, they on average have more male sexual partners than the average self identified heterosexual woman. That alone could explain the elevated risk. And on top of that, you have higher prevalence of drug abuse including intravenous drug use, higher prevalence of prostitution, higher prevalence of having sex with men who also have sex with men.

 

It wasn't so long ago that preachers in many parts of the country were saying that black men marrying white women was 'abnormal' and 'immoral'. I can still remember the first time I saw a black and white interracial couple kiss, and it was as shocking to me at the time as you are probably shocked by seeing two gay men together.

What you are talking about are societal norms. As a happily married man, I see no reason why two people who happen to be attracted to the same sex should be treated any differently than my wife and myself.

I see being 'gay' as no more 'abnormal' than being left handed.

 

Okay. So why do we need to follow the natural order, and why is this clear to you? Please, be explicit on why we should follow the natural order on our sexuality, but not on, say, diet or transport. Also, be explicit about why your opinion on the natural order should be taken as truth.

So... You trust nothing in psychology? Or in science in general?

Except that it would be trivial to shoot down these studies as flawed, unless there was real reason to believe that homosexuality was sociopathic behavior. Studies don't just exist in a vacuum. There's a thing called peer-review. For example, Mark Regnerus published a much-publicized study that seemed to show that homosexuals do a worse job parenting that heterosexuals. His study was shot full of holes right out of the gate because it was incredibly flawed.

 

Oh I think it's pretty clear getting another mans poo on your junk on purpose is a mental disorder that needs cured.

 

To be sure, I could speculate about your reasons for doing so - if I didn't have a pretty good idea already, that is.

Bet nobody saw that one coming.

It's a perversion, not an "orientation".

 

The sad reality is that "treating them like crap" is less abusive than pretending they're not perverts.

 

So you think people should abuse homosexuals? Nice.

 

So you think abusing your fellow human beings is acceptable, huh? Says a lot about you, and none of it good.

I'm a pervert. You gonna abuse me? I'd advise against it. Not that I'm gay, I'm a totally different kind of pervert.

 

I never said anything of the kind, obviously.

See above.

No, I'll leave that to those who fraudulently claim to have your best interests at heart.