Is Abortion Murder?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Fugazi, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Damn....if that is an example of your "Moral" path......I think I should avoid Morality.
     
  2. Albert Fish

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    Evidently your reading comprehension is second to your emotional instinct. Try reading it again.
     
  3. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay....

    Uh.....yeah......real nice.
     
  4. Albert Fish

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    Anyone who supports abortion has a depraved sensibility. The "women's movement" is little more than reverse misogyny. Burn your bras, slaughter your babies, or when you decide to have one, leave the man out. Sexual freedom (skankery) is the new liberation.

    That's what you bought. Most women had good lives with men who respected them and what they did in their part of the family unit. Your leadership of 60's skanks merely wanted to tear down the fabric of a healthy society, and they succeeded. Nearly 50% of babies are now born out of wedlock.

    You've come a long way, baby.
     
  5. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow
    .....here I thought you were all extinct.
     
  6. Albert Fish

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    Despite the efforts to castrate the genuine male, many of us survive and thrive. My mother was thrilled to be at home, taking care of the enormous work of running a household. She enjoyed it, never felt less a woman, never envied my father being outside the home. My wife is the same and we are happy with well adjusted children who have inherited our values.

    I suppose you weren't so lucky. Sorry.
     
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    And now for the rest of the story. It is not man's law that people who kill other innocent human life must most be concerned. Man does not have to make a law to allow or to prohibit murder of innocent babies in the womb. Those who do will answer to a much more harsh punishment than man will ever dream up. So, now I say it; I am pro-choice, and unless there is reconciliation after such an egregious act as abortion there are the eternal flames of hell. I believe we have free will, not just to do that which we choose to do, but we are free to accept the consequences of our act.
     
  8. Albert Fish

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    My mother had a choice, she could have demanded "emancipation" and left the family. Instead she chose to do the right thing. Demeaning her part in the family speaks volumes, and the stunning hypnosis perpetrated upon women by other women whose only real goal was to destroy traditional values.

    If one sees a traditional family structure as being fundamentally abusive to women is typical of leftist shrilly estrogen whores. I have known many women in my adult life who would love to have had the chance to stay home and raise healthy children.

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  9. shinbone

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    Abortion on demand is the law of the land, and always will be. Or so we're told. Just as different generation of Americans was told that Dred Scott v. Sanford was the law of the land, and the slavery question had been settled. All the states were going to be slave states. Case closed. Shut-Up, the Abortionist, explained.
    No cause is forever lost, not in this ever changing world. Because no cause is forever won. That's the nature of politics. Of ideas. Of Faith day by day we make our own choices.
    If abortion is not wrong, abortion on demand, abortion for no good medical reason , abortion as a routine, accepted feature of American society, the taking of innocent life without restriction or scruple, or qualm-if all this is not WRONG .....Then nothing is.

    And soon enough, nothing will be- given that kind of pervasive , unthinking disregard for LIFE. For that is the nature of evil. It spreads. It becomes ordinary, profitable, banal. Abortion today, euthanasia tomorrow, eugenics next in our brave new cloned world. I wonder if those on the other side of this issue can have thought this issue through, or don't they Dare think it through???/

    55MILLION and counting-55MILLION dead babies with a DNA a real person with an identity code implanted at CONCEPTION----KILLED..
     
  10. Cady

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    There are many who love to stay home and raise children. That is their choice and what they want. Not every woman wants that, and those who don't should be allowed their own choices. With every pregnancy a woman risks her health and even her life. No woman should be forced to gestate and give birth if she doesn't want to take that risk.
     
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    Abortion doesn't kill "babies." If you can't make your case without changing the meaning of words, then you don't have one.
     
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    Abortion does kill babies, innocent babies in the womb and may all who do it, have it, or support it burn in eternal fire.
     
  13. Albert Fish

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    I agree, no woman should ever be forced to live by someone else's demands, nor should women who prefer a more traditional lifestyle ever be subject to the scorn of others.

    Motherhood is a blessing, nurturing children to grow and learn and become good people is a job in and of itself and it is to be celebrated as the highest possible achievement for a human being. What could be more important than raising a happy family?

    If a woman chooses a career over a family, I say what's good for her is her choice. But these are the kinds of discussions people need to have before they marry, so that each knows the stand of the other.

    It is however, inarguable that the trend of liberalizing lifestyles has had a severely deleterious effect on society. Single parent households are a scourge and we ought to go back to admitting that rather than being so concerned about the feelings of adults who make poor choices.
     
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    Soooo, it seems you have given away your position now. lol

    By the way, not everyone believes in an afterlife, especially one where they will be tormented in eternal fire, so your threats are empty ones. ;)
     
  15. dnsmith

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    There will be a lot of surprised people.

    BTW, I declared my opinion a couple of posts ago, apparently you didn't read it. I am pro-choice, and believe that people who murder their babies have the free will to choose; the abortion and their punishment.
     
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    I absolutely agree because someday I would actually like to be a stay at home mom and write my novel on the side while raising my own kids. I've realized the working world is just not for me. In fact I'd be even more pleased if my fiance could find work where he'd be home more often as well so we can raise a family together. This is my dream to be honest but I just don't know if I ever see it becoming a reality when it seems even two parent families have to have two breadwinners just to survive nowadays.

    Motherhood is also a choice. If someone chooses not to be a mother and instead wants to pursue a childfree lifestyle, as many now do, then they have that right. So if their priorities are their career or whatever else then they probably should not have kids (another reason I am pro-choice).

    Absolutely!

    It is unfortunate that so many households only have one parent raising a child rather than two because two parent households really do help take all the load off of the one parent. But I'm not going to treat people as if they are bad people just because their partner/spouse/whoever is not in the picture whether by choice or by a tragic set of events.
     
  17. tecoyah

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    So....you have no problem wishing anothers soul to be destroyed, but feel unformed tissue within said other must be saved from something far less evil.

    You make Jesus proud.....
     
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    lol Well lovely then. There are millions of women who are not even phased by the fact that they had an abortion.
     
  19. dnsmith

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    I wish nothing of the kind. It is not I who makes such a choice. A person who commits grave sin does so at their own peril. And yes, I conduct myself such that I have no reason to fear the destruction of soul. No one can destroy a soul but he who destroys his own. Have a nice day!

    - - - Updated - - -

    I know a lot of other people whose heads are in the clouds not understanding that they do it to themselves. It is their loss.
     
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    It isn't always a blessing. For women who already have the family they want, or women (girls) too young to even carry a pregnancy without physically tearing their young bodies apart, for middle aged women having raised several children and looking forward to pursuing other interests, and those who are simply unable to physically or financially care for a child, it is not a blessing.

    But women should not be limited to that one achievement. Some women are just not up to the job and are better suited for other pursuits.

    You are idealizing "traditional households." Many were/are dysfunctional, and many children have had to live with abuse and have grown up irreparably damaged because women were forced to depend on a husband for support. It is a good thing that women are no longer forced to gestate and give birth, one child after another, their entire lives until they die at a young age.
     
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    No one has said everything is perfect. In fact to my knowledge there was never but one perfect human being.

    Far from it that people be perfect but to strive that perfection should be ingrained in all. Life may not be a bed of roses, and motherhood is not for all. But that decision should be made BEFORE getting pregnant.

    I empathize with the young women who are forced to have sex and children. I empathize not in the least for a person who does not consider the consequences prior to doing a voluntary act.

    BTW motherhood may not be a blessing in the eyes of all women, but for the child, to be born, is a blessing, even if some people won't accept that blessing.

    I also scorn those who do not take care of the children in this world that have been born; but that is not a reason for abortion.
     
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    Well I contend that my morals are better than yours .. reason - They simply are!

    Statement without fact is merely opinion .. worth little to nothing.
     
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    Ah yes the good old days when rape and abuse within marriage was not a criminal offence (Spouse rape was only made illegal in 1991), where children were seen and not heard only allowed to speak when spoken to, where women could only own property until they married where it then became the mans property, where the strap took the place of discussion and fathers word was law ... You are welcome to it!!

    Oh that good thing called marriage, a church sponsored control over women, something that goes against the human races natural tendencies .. if it was such a "good" thing one has to wonder why it is failing?
     
  24. Albert Fish

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    The majority of marriages worked before it became fashionable to dump your responsibilities and embrace narcissism. Marriage is failing today because of people just like you.

    Your outlook is demented and sad. I see the world is a toilet and I guess I can thank you for shedding some additional light on that reality.
     
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    It was the destruction of family values which led to either abuse or divorce. When I was young about to get married myself, I had never knowingly met a divorced person. That was 60 years ago. Divorce has become so easy to get people frequently don't figure out how to get along with another person before they choose divorce rather than working out the problems. Still, of those I call my friends, the people I finished high school with, many I met in the military, are all still married to their original spouse.

    There are obviously reasons to split up, and physical abuse is but one. Working at marriage to try to make it succeed is what we need more. When it is so easy to get an abortion and kill our innocent babies, or go to a divorce lawyer and rid yourself of a spouse of which one gets tired is the easy way out.
     

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