Did Trayvon Martin have a right to "stand his ground?"

Yeah the Catholics got a whole lot of crap wrong. Not the least of which was that nonsense about Peter being the rock upon which the kingdom was built.

 

Wrong again, Fraud.

לֹא תִּרְצָח from the original Hebrew.

The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in 'blood guilt'. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense. Amazing how atheists know more about the 'scriptures' than those who loudly claim their Christianity.

 

The original comment refers to the Rodney King episode. My younger son did a report on the episode for High School. What he discovered surprised me and I tend to consider myself a cynic. The press only showed the public the end of a much longer recording which showed the whole incident. The police tried to control him but he was a black belt in karate and they were unable to. Finally they used a taser but he repeatedly got up and attacked them. It appears impossible that he was not on PCP as no one could ordinarily do this. What we saw was only the end in which they, if you haven't seen the whole event, appear to over react whenever he picks his head up and looks like he might get up. The jury saw the whole tape which is why the police were not convicted. The riot was a media created event. This is why it is important to not give knee jerk responses to the media reports. Remember they are the ones who sold us the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars based on lies.

 

You have been exposed to to far too much right-wing/NRA propaganda, and seem to have absorbed it like a sponge. Try reading all the other info available...like the coroner's report, the statement of the lead investigator...there is so much. The FL gov and those who sponsored the SYG bill said that it didn't cover Zimmerman, and they're republicans. Zimmerman's lawyer didn't ask for a SYG hearing, he must have a valid reason. Please, pull your head out of the sand.

The neighborhood watch that Zimmerman was a part of forbade the carrying of a weapon...it was printed in their handbook which was reported and shown online, and they were instructed to NOT confront, just "observe and report", and the officer who "trained" them affirmed that. Martin was killed almost at his father's door while Zimmerman's car was parked over two blocks away. Zimmerman followed Martin both in a car and on foot. They were in an area between buildings with no street frontage. Martin was 5'11", 17, 162 pounds, unarmed. Zimmerman was 5'9", 28, 200 pounds, armed. Martin had no signs of having been fighting. Zimmerman said Martin "was wrestling him for the gun when shot"...no GSR on Martin's hands, coroner says he was shot at "mid-range" (not direct contact).

 

I have seen the entire tape many times, and I agree with you. King was a perpetual malefactor, before and after the incident that made him famous for 15 minutes.

 

Again Friday NW is not a legally binding document. 2nd if Zimmerman was on his way back to his car when attacked as he claims then Martin is the attacker, not Zimmerman and Zimmerman acted in self defense stand your ground or not. It all depends on whther Zimmerman's statement that he was returning to his car wnem martin confronted him is true. Define almost. Where the incident occurred doesn't matter who initiated it does, and in any case all martin had to do was say I live here and point to his home and he lives. Instad he initiates an assault and gets himself killed.

Youlisten to too much left wing garbage.

 

No, Martin didn't "have to" respond for any reason. Nobody gave this jackwad authority to order anyone to do anything. All Zimmerman "had to do" was cease and desist and let the police handle it. Instead Zimmerman CHOSE to initiate the assault, comfy knowing he was packin', and stayed cocky and killed Martin, then claims self defense. You don't chase somebody down, shoot them and claim it was the other guy's fault. Doesn't work that way in the real world, seemingly except for this thug for some odd reason.

 

Well let's all hope that Zimmerman is cleared of any crime and gets to walk. Just think of all the fun we'll have talking about all the new shootings of blacks by people who get to stand their ground.

The current US shootings of over 30,000 people a year will be like a walk in the park without a bullet proof vest on!

 

This is true. Maybe Z should walk. Think of how many black people can get revenge on and claim self defense. Oh wait, they put poor black people in jail for that don't they? On second thought, if you're wealthy, and have a beef with someone who is poor, go get 'em and claim self defense, and walk, just like Z. (No, I'm NOT seriously advocating this). This IS the effective message Z walking would send though.

 

Except that there is absolutely no evidence that Zimmermand initiated the assault...

And of the 30k shooting victims every year 20k shot themselves.

 

We have a dead body, and a guy with a gun who chased the dead guy down and shot him, after being advised to cease and desist. He says he had to do it. But you say "Yeah, I'm good with that."

If it were Zimmerman dead and Martin standing over him, you'd be all for acquitting Martin too, right? What a joke.

 

Except there is no evidence that happened either. They are both at least part African-American. Were I a racist why would I care one way or the other which one died?

 

Now you're simply being plain dishonest.

 

No Zimmerman is African South American. This revelation made at least 3 posters on thus forum suicidal.

 

There is no evidence that Zimmerman chased down Martin and plenty of evidence that he did not. The confrontation I occurred minutes after Martin took off. Had Zimmerman chased Martin it wound have occurred far sooner and far further south . The tine line and location are both evidence that Martin doubled back.

 

Nope you are revealing your ignorance frauster. Zimmer man is also part African.

 

Raul Rodriguez didn't initiate the assault either. Guess what happened to him?

 

Got a beef with someone? Shoot first, and ask questions later, then claim self defense. That's the theme behind "stand your ground".

 

All of the physical evidence and eye witness testimonies point to Zimmermans rightful conduct and innocence, as well as to Martins culpability and unfortunate demise. To say otherwise is speculative and nonsensical.

 

....and Martin's dead so he can't counter the murdering racist that was chasing him. Interesting take.

 

Except there is no evidence for any of that either. Fraudster are you ever going to introduce anything to this conversation that is upported by the evidence?

 

Neither is Martin here to lie. At any rate, it wouldn't matter because the evidence would still establish the truth as it does now. It all checks and cross checks.

 

There is evidence that the killer committed murder though. Only one of two people that would know for sure what happened is dead, and the remaining person's version of what happened is under arrest and headed for jail. One dead victim. One admitted killer. Those are the facts. We'll see if the killer gets off.

 

Sorry but everyone who kills someone in this country isn't a murderer. Killing someone in self defense is not murder.

 

Killing someone certainly seems the biggest hurdle you need to clear to be considered a murderer. He's done that. He's also killed the evidence to anything contrary than his own version of events. Martin's dead. Z was chasing him and shot him, after the police told him to go home. Sounds pretty clear cut to me.