Critically Ill Woman Faces Jail Time If She Aborts

In other words, you are pro choice, not pro life as you claim.

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If she has the baby she will DIE. Does that not matter?

 

It's not equal. Studies show adoption is worse.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/emoteffectsabort_01-07_(spot_revised_05-25-07).pdf
Emotional Reactions to Adoption
· The psychological responses to abortion are far
less serious than those experienced by women
bringing their unwanted pregnancy to term and
relinquishing the child for adoption (Sachdev,
1993).
· While first-trimester abortion does not affect
most women adversely, and nearly all women
assimilate the abortion experience by six months
to one year after the procedure (Sachdev, 1993),
one study indicates that 95 percent of birth
mothers report grief and loss after they have
signed their consent to adoption, and two-thirds
continued to experience these feelings five to 15
years after relinquishment (Sachdev, 1989).
· Women who relinquish their child for adoption
are at risk for long-term grief that can have
physical, psychological, and relational
repercussions. While this response is
comparable to that of losing a child through
death, the grieving response post-adoption is
often more symptomatic and can be chronic in
nature (Askren & Bloom, 1999).
· Of pregnant women who considered other
options before choosing abortion, none
considered having a baby and giving it up for
adoption. Nearly all of the women believed that
relinquishing a baby would cause even greater
emotional trauma than abortion. They believed
they would develop a deep emotional attachment
to the baby that would be extremely painful to
sever (Sachdev, 1993).

 

Actually no, I am debating for choice.

However you are doing more than debating the issue or have pro-lifers stopped trying to over turn roe vs wade based purely on their own moral viewpoint.

when you can show that there is another "person" then you have a point, until then the argument is conjecture .. oh and there are no "babies" killed in abortion.

 

As has already been shown to you that this law you consistently quote, like some golden bullet that shoots down all other points, doesn't actually prove you point at all .. however if you stand by your usual way fo replying then that soesn't make any difference to you, Whaler is might, Whaler is right . .so everything else is irrelevant.

and what has your question to do with it .. I didn't say religion had anything to do with current inconsistencies, I said that the pro-life movement is entrenched in religious dogma .. prove me wrong if you can instead of just posting inane comments to try and move the goalposts.

 

Good post....and , of course, the Anti-Choicers do NOT care about the effects on the CHILDREN who are in the system going from home to home before they're adopted ( IF they ever are). They have always lost interest in these"precious gifts" the moment they're born. Once the woman has "done her moral duty" and given birth or been punished for being raped by giving birth, the Anti-Choicers think all is well....and screw those unwanted babies.....

 

Planned parenthood? Really? You would be all over me like white on rice if I quoted something so biased.

The only thing you have shown is that sometimes women have grief over adoption. When you can show me a study where women have had an abortion AND gave a baby up for adoption and the psychological effects were worse, then you may have a point. Otherwise, you are reading stats about adoption and inserting your bias into the equation and saying that adoption is more traumatic.

 

Planned Parenthood is not endorsing the results of the studies, they're merely reporting them.

Credible studies are done with large groups of people. When we compare the results of one large group representing X with that of another large group representing Y, it is possible to draw a logical conclusion that X and Y have certain effects. Granted that the study group must be large enough to disallow for other factors. These studies are showing that adoption has a more devastating and longer lasting emotional effect on women than abortion. It is your personal bias regarding abortion that is affecting your acceptance of these facts.

This is one woman's story:
http://www.shakesville.com/2009/03/breaking-silence-on-living-pro-lifers.html

I have given a baby up for adoption, and I have had an abortion, and while anecdotes are not evidence, I can assert that abortions may or may not cause depression - it certainly did not in me, apart from briefly mourning the path not taken - but adoption? That is an entirely different matter. I don't doubt that there are women who were fine after adoption, and there is emphatically nothing wrong with that or with them; but I want to point out that if we're going to have a seemingly neverending discussion about the sorrow and remorse caused by abortion, then it is about (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) time that we hear from birth mothers too.

Believe me when I say that of the two choices, it was adoption that nearly destroyed me - and it never ends. The only comparison I have is the death of a loved one. The pain retreats, maybe fades, but it comes right back if I poke at it. Writing this has taken me nearly two weeks. Normally, I can write this amount in about thirty minutes, with bathroom breaks. I started to type, and stopped only to reread, then go wail into my pillow. There is no such thing as "over" with this.
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What I didn't realize at the time - because not one person in my whole life had ever seen fit to mention the possibility, including the pre-adoption counselors - was that I'd spend so long hovering on the edge of suicide, desperately trying to find some way to deal with an all-consuming pain I had no idea even existed. I had never needed help so badly, and I doubt I ever will again. I've known a lot of birth mothers, and I consider myself lucky; I'm less broken than many of them, somehow. Maybe it's because I never did get any kind of therapy. I couldn't find any that didn't make me feel inhuman.

 

EXCERPT>>>>>>>>>>

I am 100% AGAINST ‘abortion for convenience‘*, and for most other reasons. However I would be a hypocrite if I said I am opposed to abortion in every case. In some cases the parent(!!!!S!!!!!)** should be the full and only authority who can make the abortion call. The feds should not have that kind of power to choose those that can have an abortion etc.

* abortion for convenience ; Example of an ‘afc’ is birth control after the fact.

** If possible both ‘parents’ should decide the particulars of abort or not abort.


reva

 

My heart goes out to the mother and the aborted baby. (in the above example). As I read her story red flags began popping with an intensity being hit in the eye with a smoking shish-kebab lance. Real obvious so to speak. What was so obvious? That the mother seems to be lacking any type of grief counseling. (I wrote the above before I noticed that she had said that very thing later in her post. I urge her to access care and yes there are state and gov. agencies that offer that kind of help free. Also local churches do the same. As a rev, a non preaching, but still a rev I am fully aware some pro-choicers dislike churches as well as the members, which is regrettable but understandable.


reva

 

Everybody supports therapy. It would be nice if pro-lifers would admit that adoption is the choice MOST likely to need therapy in order to live with that choice.

 

Even as a rev I avoid the abortion topic all together if possible! It's just so difficult, so emotional, and so easy to make a mistake! Any mistake made in abortion counseling can be horribly injurious maybe even lethal. That said, I have no problem to admitting, and supporting truth. BTW, define truth. Like Einstein said on the question of time. ie it's relative to the observer. If truth is indeed relative, that my friend(s) creates a paradox, eh?

reva

 

El Salvador should revise some of those harsh provisions.