We Can Do Better

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Agent_286, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

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    Gun confiscation is not "doing better." It is tyranny.
     
  2. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They also pass laws that make cars less safe in order to gain better gas mileage. It's one of the reasons one shouldn't trust government to keep them safe.

    They might, particularly large magazines. Note that while you mention "100 round magazines" most of the laws proposed limit the magazines to less than 10 rounds.


    Uh, no we don't. The compromises always come out in favor of less liberty and more regulation until there is no liberty left.
     
  3. Jiggs Casey

    Jiggs Casey New Member

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    cool story. ... So I'm a Marxist? Good one. ... I wouldn't say I'm *****ing nor moaning about it. Just amused watching you guys apply situational ethics from one end of the issue to the other.

    Well, this 9 anyway.

    I already said I'm one left leaner who really doesn't care much about the gun issue. Have all the guns you want. We've got MUCH bigger fish to fry in this country than taking a few toys away from boys.
     
  4. mutmekep

    mutmekep New Member

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    Marxist here.
    Guns are part of your culture and i don't see why you need to give them up , kids die from any stupid reason you can imagine like falling from stairs, not a good reason to ban them .
     
  5. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    SEVEN ROUNDS is not a "compromise"; it is a capitualtion to criminals. No one is discussing full-auto weapons.

    Straw man noted.
     
  6. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No gun anywhere kills without OUTSIDE INPUT.

    Look at how well strict gun control works where it is already in place= the HIGHEST MURDER RATES in AMERICA, is "how".

    Pools are a GREATER HAZARD to children than are guns, is the OBVIOUS POINT I make, to address the COMPLETE NONSENSE of the OP.
     
  7. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is clearly not a strawman. Learn the definition and proper use of the term. Its a valid factually correct on point argument that you failed to refute. That's why you needed to hurl an insult. Its what liberals do when they know they have zero argument.
     
  8. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a lying sack of crap and you know it.
     
  9. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's another lying sack of crap and you know it.
    The numbers aren't even close.
     
  10. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another lie from ignorant and selfish right-wingers who care more about their sick ideology than they do the innocent people they are complicit in murdering each day.
     
  11. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every right-wing excuse for guns I have read on this thread is an outright lie.
    You people are incapable of facing reality.
     
  12. Zxereus

    Zxereus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So how are the "children" of Chicago getting their guns ? They're getting them illegally, and you can have all the laws on the books you want and the gangbangers will still get them.

    Ahh, what the hell, it's useless to argue this with idiots.
     
  13. TomFitz

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    What difference does that make?

    Swimming pools and cars are not weapons.

    When a lunatic goes into a school and kills twenty five people using a swimming pool, I'll take your point.
     
  14. TomFitz

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    They're getting them illegally because weak national gun laws and even weaker enforcement make the trade relatively risk free and very profitable.

    How did the NRA respond. It actually tried to make the laws even weaker, and it has always fought to make sure the ATF is toothless.
     
  15. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 2000, 174 children (0-18 ) in the United States died from unintentional firearm-related injuries.
    In 2000, 1,242 children in the United States died from intentional firearm-related injuries.
    In the United States, 1,236 children (0-18 ) died from drowning in 2000.
    http://www.childdeathreview.org/causes.htm

    Which is a little unfair really... most of those homicides are 16-18 in inner cities. Dealing with just children, drowning blows them away.

    So no... it is not a "lying sack of crap"... it is actually accurate.
     
  16. Toefoot

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    Then I must admit, I have lied 2 more times in the past 2 months with new purchases. I also need to give you a heads up, I will lie to you in the future.

     
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    Conservative ideology in a nutshell.

    Demands that all children must be protected so that they are born and not aborted.
    Demands that all guns must be protected so that later they can be used to kill those children once they've left their mother's womb.
    Blames black people and illegal immigrants for gun deaths.
     
  18. TomFitz

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    Uh, no.

    Using your own statistics, the number of drownings is about the same as the number from homicides and accidental discharge of firearms.

    Nothing "blown away" as you claim.

    And your link does not support your claim that most of the homicides are concentrated in one particular age group.

    In any case, a swimming pool is not a weapon.

    And since nearly all the drownings are accidental, and most of the homicides aren't, your argument completely falls apart.
     
  19. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FIREARM DEATHS AND DEATH RATES AMONG CHILDREN AGES 1-14:
    2000 423
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/FIREARM_DEATHS_AND_DEATH_RATES.pdf

    Blown away.
     
  20. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    OK, you proved your age group claim.

    The rest of my response stands.
     
  21. Dispondent

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    Do you own more than one type of knife in your kitchen? Do you have more than one room in your house? A gun locked in the study does no good if you need one in your basement, or bedroom.
     
  22. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no data as to child drowning homicide that I have found. A lotta crazy (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es drown their kids. A lotta crazy (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es shoot their kids too.

    How about poison? Or fire? What is under your kitchen sink is more dangerous to an infant/toddler than an AR-15. Poisons are often made to be poisons. Often poisons that kill people are designed to kill something. Lock your poisons and your guns up... because the bottom line is, bad parenting is bad parenting...

    And we could work to fix that... because it is responsible ultimately for most children's deaths.

    Or you could try and get rid of guns, and poisons... and fire.
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    http://www.mchb.hrsa.gov/chusa03/pages/status_children.htm
     
  23. Ctrl

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    Fingerprint and go.
     
  24. JoeSixpack

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    How many of those children were killed in areas with the toughest gun control laws, and gun free zones, where criminals and even the mentally ill know their victims are sitting ducks, and the odds of getting caught in the act is slim to none.

    Yes we have a problem but it is with inconsistency the government treats the violent criminals and ignore the mentally disturbed. The law abiding average citizen is not the problem, nor is attacking them and their rights the solution. Stop beating the dog every time grandma farts.
     
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    Why are the gun grabbers so interested in our penises?
     

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