Zimmerman Trial ~ (Monday July 1st)

Actually, this is where “SYG” could have come into effect. If during the fight, Martin noticed the gun he could have reasonably believed he was about to die. We still do not know who initiated the fight.

Stalking as a legal term, according to Florida law, may not be accurate. It was a general use of the term, and applicable in daily life. Martin was being “pursued” by Zimmerman.

We do not know if Martin thought that making it back to his father’s home was a reasonable option, or even that in the excitement that he was fully aware of his surroundings.

Zimmerman was not requested to proceed in the direction of Martin. Zimmerman could have easily identified the address of an approximate location without proceeding in the direction of Martin.

We do not know that Martin ever left, or returned to the “T,” only Zimmerman’s claim support that, but there is no evidence. In fact, even Zimmerman’s written statement supports that Martin may have attempted to hide, in the proximity of that location. This also introduces the possibility that if Zimmerman walked past Martin, who was hidden, and then returned in that direction, Martin thought he had been discovered. His reaction could have been defensive, leading to a physical altercation.

There is “no proof” that Martin ever followed Zimmerman; only proof that Zimmerman pursued Martin.

Furthermore, Zimmerman was able to “continue a pursuit” by continuing in toward Martin’s last known location. If you are being pursued and you manage to move out of sight and the person is still continuing in your direction and attempting to locate you, the pursuit is still in effect.

Jeantel was not truthful regarding her ability to read. There is total consistence in her testimony that Martin was alarmed by be followed, and that someone asked why they were being followed. None of that is in dispute.

Zimmerman was not an ultimate threat, until he left the vehicle. It is reasonable to approach a vehicle if you are being followed to get a good look at a suspicious person. Only when Zimmerman exited the vehicle and continued to follow Martin, was the reasonably perceived threat established.

We don’t know if Martin ever left the approximate location, or if he chose to hide. We only know that Zimmerman lost sight of Martin. As I previously outlined, Martin could have been hiding when Zimmerman approached him. Even Zimmerman’s own statements support this possibility.

It would have been wise, and quite possibly avoided the death of an innocent person.

 

lol...

 

"You got it!"

 

In fact, the jury is probably infuriated by that assertion by the prosecution at this point, baceuse EVERYTHING has pointed to a heat of the moment shooting, regardless of which side you favor.

 

You are incapable of paying even the slightest bit of attention. It was "you got ME".

 

I would not expect a closed minded lib and/or black person like yourself to worry about a little thing like our constitutional republic but is near and dear to the heart of conservatives.

The left, black and white, has invested so much emotion into the unfortunate demise of dear little Trayvon that they are quite capable of violence if the verdict is not guilty.

Should blacks riot in the streets that would give Obama a plausible excuse to declare martial law and suspect all our constitutional rights.

 

He said both. Which one is true?

 

"Don't look at the law, the law is stupid. He is guilty because we think he looks white and he shot a black kid. That is all you need to know jury".

 

*If you can ... let me change my story*

 

Wow. That'll really turn the tables from utter futility for the state....

 

Sure, but in terms of the law, an officer has to have "probable cause" or a "reasonable suspicion" that a crime is in place. Legally, there would have been no justification for even, a police officer, to have detained Martin. And only an officer has the authority to apprehend a person that attempts to flee, and arrest with flee charge is only valid if the officer made a reasonable attempt to identify himself as an officer.

Martin walked by Zimmerman's vehicle and noticed he was being followed by a person not identified as a police officer. In Martin's view, this same person, or an additional person, proceeded to follow him. Martin then attempted to flee, and or hide, and Zimmerman continued in the direction where he last saw Martin.

 

Can you read this: "Martin had grass stains on the knees of his pants, and Zimmerman's BACK WAS WET"?, so said the 1st police officer on the scene.

 

Turns out Daddy did kill it and he was right. Although it isn't that difficult to take apart a case that never had anything to begin with.

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The facts just smack the pro Trayvon crown across the mouth each time a new one comes out!

 

What evidence do you have that Martin attempted to flee? The evidence shows that he moved or ran toward Zimmerman as Zimmerman was headed back to his truck. Physically attacked Zimmerman pinning him to the ground and was "moving his arm in a downward motion" while on top of Zimmerman.

 

I hope you are not asking Trayvon's illiterate girl friend to read that because I don't think she can.

 

Doesn't matter. That does not mean that Zimmerman has to die because someone is beating on him.

I wonder if they will bring in an expert to testify that Martin was shot in the right ventricle and not the left that pumps blood to the lungs and that the natural reaction would be to draw your arms inward toward your chest. Martin had plenty of time to get off and fall with his arms under him.

 

Last I heard, a few states were dropping, or already had stopped teaching cursive in schools. I believe Indiana has, for instance.

Regardless, it's pretty pathetic to attack this girl for being poorly educated. It doesn't matter where a person stands on this case, no person deserves to be subjected to the types of things people are saying about Jeantel.

 

If he saw the gun AFTER the fight started, he had already went past the point of SYG. You can't assault someone and then say "I assaulted him because I felt my life was in danger when I saw the gun DURING the fight".

"Pursuing" isn't correct either. That implies that one person wanted to physically catch the other person and there is no proof that GZ wanted to physically catch TM, but only wanted to observe him from a distance.

Not a reasonable option?? I don't understand that comment. TM was between GZ and where he was staying. What would prevent him from going home?

TM told DD that he was near the apartment, so he was fully aware of his surroundings.

Per the testimony of the NW organizer, members of the NW are encouraged to observe at a distance.

It is the State's job to PROVE GZ's claim can not be true....beyond a reasonable doubt.

Just being followed does not meet any condition for justifiable assault.

Even if TM was hidden and GZ spotted TM (in the dark no less), I would bet money that TM could ALWAYS run circles around GZ. The only reason for a 5'-7.5" obese man and an in-shape 17 year old to come face to face is if the 17 year old wanted them to.

 

She's a coached liar, that's for sure though.

 

West will impeach the cop due to Zimmys chicken-scratching ... just watch ...

 

Maybe he was the suspect in the ASSAULT?

 

No one has claimed Z tried to arrest or detain the street thug....but bear in mind....for those interested in legal matters:

Citizen's arrest


A citizen's arrest is an arrest made by a person who is not acting as a sworn law-enforcement official. In common law jurisdictions, the practice dates back to medieval Britain and the English common law, in which sheriffs encouraged ordinary citizens to help apprehend law breakers.

 

It is a common problem now days.

 

The recorded phone call of Zimmerman talking to the dispatcher only indicates that Martin ran away. The call was ended at that point, and no other eye witnesses had arrived when Zimmerman and Martin encountered each other. Only Zimmerman's word supports that Martin ever came toward him. The report clearly indicates that Martin ran away, but there is no evidence that he approached Zimmerman.