Do the unborn constitute a race?

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  1. Anders Hoveland

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    Your allegation is very vague. Could you please go back and clarify for us which fetuses exactly I have suggested should be allowed to be aborted?
     
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    Why do you hate retarded people so much?
     
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    Retarded fetuses as well as fetuses which were conceived from interracial rapes.
     
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    the born no longer need a human host's body to grow into a living breathing baby...

    I can understand why an Atheist may be pro-life, but those that believe in a God? if God was great, he would just send a soul to the next available body in progress... some people have so little faith in their God


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    Didn't that allegedly racist link you posted show that I didn't believe it was okay to abort all retarded people?
     
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    Well, which retarded people are you specifically speaking about?
     
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    Just admit it, I only believe it is okay to abort a very small subset of fetuses in very specific limited circumstances.
     
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    Such as when, exactly?
     
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    Multiple criteria would have to overlap. Being retarded, being Hispanic, or being a product of rape, would not by themselves be a valid reason to abort.
     
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    Anything based on race criteria is racism, do you even know what racism is?

    noun [mass noun] - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:

    You may twist and squirm as much as you like, the simple fact is that you wish to impose your racially motivated criteria on abortion, with you deciding who should and should not get one.

    So no white -woman has ever had an abortion or given a baby up for adoption :roll:

    Racism is discrimination against another race, how does my support of abortion for ANY woman regardless of race equal racism, where as your "position" most definitely does discriminate purely on skin color .. that is racism.

    So advocating abortion for all women who want one is 100 times worse that promoting racially motivated abortion only for non-whites :roflol: . .BTW in order to discriminate against a person they have to be acknowledged as an actual person, which has been shown time and time again a fetus is not, now whether you agree with that is up to you, but until the law and science agrees with you then your opinion on the matter doesn't really count for much . .basically your original premise is false ergo any conclusions to come to based on that premise are also false.

    You like so many pro-lifers here seem to be under the illusion that I actually like abortion, I don't, and as stated many,many times before I wish that abortion was not required, but I live in reality and realize that abortion is required and that the only way to reduce it is through proper, decent sex education and freely available contraception.
    In my opinion you have no real interest in making all abortion illegal, you just want it illegal for white people.

    Not at all, it is to show your true colors as a racist, as amply proven by your own comments.
     
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    Would you care for me to go and post your actual words, or are you man enough to admit your own comments?
     
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    So are they people or not? You can't have it both ways. :wink:

    Or do you resent the fact that I want to discriminate against white women?

    Do you want to discriminate against fetuses? Yes, you do. :ignore:
     
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    They are certainly members of the race Homo Sapien, so unless I am "racist" against the whole human race then your allusion is just a fallacy.

    You are the worst kind of racist, not only do you want to discriminate against colored people purely based on their skin, you also want to discriminate against white women by wanting to force your abortion restrictions on to them.

    In essence your battle cry is - Abort non-white fetuses, make abortion illegal for white women .. but we must also add in your euthanasia fetish as well to that mix.
     
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    So if they are members of the Homo Sapiens species, it is not okay to discriminate? :smile:


    So you admit that they are people! :smile:
     
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    Discrimination is only against people who are born . .twist a little more if you can.

    Nice try .. I was talking about colored women as you very well know.

    If you want to claim I am discriminative against fetuses, first prove that a fetus is a person.
     
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    The fetus is an organism.
     
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    But I don't want to discriminate against women of color. :confusion:

    completely untrue
     
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    Then I guess I do not really want to discriminate against anyone, do I ?
    (except those poor white women of course :smile:)

    While we are on the topic of discriminating against the unborn, something else to throw into the mix:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/300843-abort-gay-fetuses.html
     
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    Is it? What is an organism? Ah, never mind you have no clue, but then again why do you keep saying it?
     
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    I have explained this on another page.
     
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    No that is simply a BLATANT LIE. So much for Christian honesty and integrity....
     
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    It's simply not a lie. I did post some information earlier today about this stuff. So much for your atheist honesty and integrity.
     
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    I don't know if I would go so far as to call them a race. Definitely a stage of human development, but a race? that seems a bit odd.
     
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    You are a shameless liar. You posted irrelevant drivel. You have been asked several times to define what is an organism. You NEVER did, that is why you are a liar. You are moreover a liar because you lie about my integrity. Show a single instance where where I have lied or misled. Grow a set and a spine and try honest debating for once. You will be much better of regardless on which side you are.
     
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    We can debate this once you sober up. :beer:

    You are a liar because you accuse me of simply stating unintelligent drivel. I have explained to you why the fetus is a person, it has been posted in a link somewhere. Your lying and misleading statements only prove that you aren't willing to engage in an honest debate. You're just some feminist that is simply way too stubborn to acknowledge when you're totally wrong in an argument!
     

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