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I dont think the New Black Panthers fit the bill - Although not communist in outlook, they lean very hard towards socialist policies - - - Updated - - - I dont think the New Black Panthers fit the bill - Although not communist in outlook, they lean very hard towards socialist policies
well if the new black panthers dont fit the bill because of their socialism neither does Adolf Hitler he was a socialist too
No he wasn't. Just because they use the word does not mean it is an ideal the embrace. Example, the full name of North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic Of North Korea. Yet the nation scored last in a field of 168 nations in terms of its democratic procresses
Fascists and Communists aren't on the best of terms. I don't want to fall into an argument entirely over semantics as happens 100% of the time someone calls Hitler a socialist - so I'll just say that regardless of what you call him is irrelevant - he's still different to the academic understanding of socialism: the Paris Communes, the Spanish Catalans, etc - and the layman's understanding in Soviet Russia/China, etc. Hitler's society revolved around strong class divisions, as all fascist ideologies do. Business loved Nazi Germany, not so much because of the uncertainty caused by war, but because it placed the producing class on such a higher level than everyone else. [hr][/hr] Long story short: I don't deny that the two often use the same methods to coerce their desired goals into reality: aggression, protectionism, dictatorship, etc - but it's what they use these things to enforce that makes the difference. Oh, and the Black Panthers are vehemently anti-Fascist. They're Maoists and Marxist-Leninists.
The Nazis realised their socialist policies with providing food and shelter for the homeless. They were also strongly anti-capitalist. The new black panther party is racist, and racism is strong indication of fascism, racial or national socialism is also fascism.
I dont know much about the black panthers except that they are very racist, and have a kill whitey mentality. They could be racist communists or something like that which still would make them fascists in my eyes. just like hitler was a racist socialist. - - - Updated - - - of course they were against capitalism. it is common knowledge.
Not sure if you got the rest of my post or not, but the common factor you're identifying is that both Fascism and Communism are authoritarian. As I pointed out, they both use force, but to different ends.
no the nazis had some socialist ideals. i dont identify it only by authoritarian. nazis realised their socialist policies by providing shelter and food for homeless. also they introduced welfare for pregnant women. they were against class divide and wanted to unite all aryans world wide. they were against aristocracy and capitalism.
By and large they wanted to eliminate homelessness by forced sterilization and imprisonment. Socialism isn't just giving stuff to the homeless, it's about the means of production. In Nazi Germany the means of production remained with the capitalist class through the expression of the state. They weren't really for or against Capitalism. They were indifferent to the extent that it didn't conflict with their Nationalism. Property and the means of production were held largely privately, although who exactly owns what is determined by the state. The Nazis were most certainly not against class divide. It was a central doctrine of the party, and is of fascism generally. It wasn't necessarily an economic class divide (although this certainly existed), but one between the favored and opposed subjects of their radical nationalism. Jews, homosexuals, blacks, Asians, Communists, etc were all oppressed, while businessmen, Caucasians, German nationals, and party loyalists were all given special privilege. It could be said that the sole common factor in Fascism is class division.
well everyone divides up, even communists divided between proletarians and capitalists/land owners/church/priests/aristocracy. so they could also be defined as fascists. the nazis didnt divided working class from middle class or upper class in that sense they were socialists. means of production was hold by the state or private persons associated with the state and the party. everything was basically owned by the NSDAP, similar as everything was owned by the communist, stalinist or maoist party. enemies were confiscated similar as in communism but in nazism it have been usually jews and other unwanted persons and enemies of nazism. the new black panther party is fascist just as the nazis were. - - - Updated - - - the nazis have been fascists. but new black panther party is fascist too.
You cannot name more than a handful actual differences in terms of internal policy between The former Soviet Union and Hitler's Nazi's. Even fewer between Mussolinis Fascists and The former Soviet Union. In fact, in said terms, both the Italians, and Germans come off better than the Soviet's in most regards.
How about hitler's very own mein kampf? He said that he hated international capitalist jewry that was screwing the common man. And he referred to the swiss as german brothers corrupted by jewish capitalism/liberalism or something like that. Read up on it: nazism is as opposed to communism as it is to capitalism.
But that has more to do with all three using the cult of personality as their anchor point. A basic principle of Nazi ideology is the removal of democratic processes. The people needed to be ruled by a small elite, that was why the German government was dismantled weeks after the Nazis gained power in 33. Communism states that it goal is to empower the worker. To have all, no matter their station in life to be invested in the decision making process. Private industry has no place in the communist frame work, yet under the fascistic system private industry existed and was supported by the extreme erosion of workers rights. Fascism, aside from some basic elements, never invested in planned economies. A feature of communist states is the incredibly detailed planning that went into the economy.
Under a fascist system the state tells both the workers and employers what to do in accordance with their plan for the country. Some people like to give us the view that fascism is about protecting the corporations and screwing the worker, while in fact fascism curbed the power of the corporations very much and told them what to do in every important issue.
Alarming ignorance. The sturmgewher 43 was made over Hitler's objections. The name was meant to make hitler think it was a new type of Submachine gun. The Nazis attacked Russia with the MkIII tank still armed with short L42 50mm cannon rather than the L60 50mm the werhmact wanted because Hitler thought it wasn't necessary. The Luftwaffe had to wait almost a year to get the ME-262 because Hitler wanted it to be a fighter Bomber, and made that the priority. There wasn't one economic decison made in Germany that Hitler didn't contribute to in one way or another. German industry didn't go on a full war footing until 43 because until then Hitler thought it unnecessary. To say that the Germans didn't do central economic planning is a total failure to understand how things were done in Nazi Germany under Adolph Hitler. Hitler may not have killed the factory owners but they were well aware of what would happen to them if they didn't follow the orders they were given. Hell from the very beginning Hitler advertised the Nazis as the party of the working man. So did Mussolini's fascist and in fact until the war cut into their funds the workers were fairly well paid for that day and time. You can say that the Germany economy was poorly planned under Adolph Hitler (and thank God for that as his economic decision likely cost Germany the War or at least shortened it) but you cannot say that it wasn't planned..
The Nazis destroyed unions, they got most of their early funds from business donors, they sent volunteers to fight on the side of the rightist Nationalists in Spain against the leftist Republicans and they had a corporatist (in the body politic sense rather than the economic sense) view of the world. That doesn't add up to socialism in its proper definition. Trying reading some Hannah Arendt to understand the differences and similarities between the Nazis and the Stalinists.
