Bill O'Reilly gives fiery monologue challenging black leaders

Fitz. When you take accountability out of the equation, who's the teacher ? How are lessons learned ? Is it the school of "that's OK. Just try again. We'll pay for your mistakes. Enjoy" ?

 

Incorrect. It is more than twice the problem in the black community as in any other ethnic community. It is well beyond the critical mass for chaos. Studies show that when there is not father in the home, the propensity for criminality increase over 5-fold.

With regard to setting color difference aside, the President, whom you give credit to for his own family, is race-pimp #1. Were he some family guy in Chicago, then good for him, he's a "good dad". But he's not just that. He is the leader of the free world, and at that, he is a massive race-baiting failure.

 

Racism has destroyed the black family in a variety of ways.

Not surprising that they have so many issues.

 

It would be nice if the government didnt encourage single parenthood with freestuff.






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So BH Obama gave a campaign speech in 2008?? What about lately??

A few years ago I saw a great example why Black kids don't get a good education. A local TV station sent a cute young Mexican girl to a school on the first day of school to ask what brand new students what they were told by their parents about school. The lady stood out front and when a bus stopped she picked a little Black boy and squatted down by him She asked what his mother had told him about school. The little boy looked at her and said "Don't take no (*)(*)(*)(*) off those teachers." The Mexican girl was so stunned that she fell back on her ass and we got a look at her panties before the producer could cut back to the station where the morning news people stammered and went to a commercial. But that is the problem with our education system and it is hurting Blacks and border line whites too.

It was before he became our first illegal president.

 

a few facts here not opinions
abortion

divorce

unwed mother status

black community has serious issues and racism is really the least of their worries and blaming old white republicans won't solve anything

keep voting democratic black people the Dems will give you all the welfare and free abortions you can handle, enjoy that wide screen tv, free cell phone and food stamp mac and cheese while your children keep killing each other and smoke crack

 

I think what Shangrila is saying is you don't talk about black absentee fathers twice as much as absentee fathers of other ethnicities. You talk about blacks 100% of the time. You are damned by your own numbers.

 

I really agree with a lot of what O'Reilly says here, but so do a lot of black community leaders.

But he does slant things. He talks about prison population and drug dealers, and no one can argue that people selling crack cocain or heroine or methamphetamine should be given a slap on the hand. But get pot classified differently than hard drugs please, the people doing long sentences for having a couple of Ozs of pot should not be sucking up tax dollars.

He also exaggerates and misinforms about Obamas role in the black community. Since he has been president most of the issues O'Reilly talks about have been improving. I think we see clear evidence of this since the Zimmerman trial. I live in Florida and the overall reaction has been peaceful. I am sure there are a few isolated instances, but mostly we just see demonstrations and black leaders talking about the law.

In a way I see this as a grasping monologue. After the Zimmerman trial FOX was all geared up for massive racial violence. It didn't happen, so they had to do something with all the material they had prepared. They are trying to get as much milage as possible out of this racial incident.

But what O'Reilly is saying is mostly really old news. Today in the black community underage birth rates are going down and college admissions are going up, and conservative pundits are still angry.

 

I'd like to suggest that you do more reading on what people are really in prison for re: drugs. VERY few people end up in jail for possession of pot. Mostly when that happens it is a function either of there were other charges to and the person plead guilty to the minimum crime in order to avoid trial OR the person is a repeat offender who a DA used a pot possession charge as an excuse to get them off the street.

Simple possession of pot almost always leads to a ticket and release.

 

You can't compare the two countries like that. Canada does not have the numbers or diversity that America has. We have huge urban ghettos with schools in the toilet and half the kids can't read. If we picked up these poor, crime ridden neighborhoods and dropped them in Canada, you would have the same problem we do.

I went to a high school that has a 98% graduation rate. Test scores off the charts. 92% are going off to college after graduation. America's best is still some of the best in the world but we have huge populations of people who drag down the overall numbers.

 

A very thoughtful post. I don't know all the statistics or the trends so I can't agree or disagree with the trajectory of the black community but given that the overall economy has been recovering under Obama it makes sense that there could be some improvement at the bottom.

You make several very good points. First of all O'Reilly is lying when he says Obama hasn't discussed fatherless homes in the black community. He has on multiple occasions and as has been pointed out he leads by example.

The other very important point is anyone who is truly friends with African Americans and spends any time in black communities or homes knows that the people most concerned about fatherless black families is black people. Saying otherwise just indicates that the person talking doesn't know anything about the black community. Now most of those talking about fatherless black homes aren't going to go on Hannity and O'Reilly on Fox Noise channel and give the race baiters fresh red meat. They do have some pride. But amongst friends and family it is a very common topic of discussion.

 

Definition of a liberal poster. Slam the message, provide no evidence to support their claims.

 

depends on whose number you want to believe

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regardless the three strikes rule tend to impact the black community more than the white community when minor charges are taken into account

 

That entity can speak for themselves. Otherwise, "the squeaky wheel gets the oil."

Watch the insults.

 

When a boy grows up seeing his father go to work every day... baker or cop or banker or whatever.. he develops differently.. When there is no father in the home, his role models become rappers, drug dealers and pimps at around age 15..

 

re read your study. It says that roughly 13% are in for marijuana related offenses, which is NOT the same thing as simple possession.

As for the 3 strike rule affecting blacks more than whites, well if you get arrested 3 times, you certainly have no one to blame but yourself, stop committing crimes. Well, unless you would have us believe that it is racism by police and prosecutors which leads to blacks being arrested in the first place, which I wouldn't be surprised if you made that claim.

Oh and a minor charge will NEVER result in the 3 strikes law being implemented. It's 3 FELONIES.

 

pundits will always be angry because their livelihood depends on it, they get paid to be angry and spread anger so it does not matter if it is Bill OReilly or Al Sharpton, Heritage or the NAACP. I think they are all parasitic sphincters with legs

 

It depends on what state you are in. As I keep saying to you guys quit obsessing about Washington D.C. and take a look at the state and local laws. Also there are people in jail who have never done anything more than get a speeding ticket. I went to court once for a traffic violation. The place was packed with poors with little kids. When you are struggling to make ends meet a $300 fine and court costs adds up. And one drug conviction can snowball into a myriad of other things like being denied job and education opportunities. I had a friend who got pulled over for a minor traffic violation and ended up getting arrested for a tiny butt of a discarded joint someone left in his car. It was crazy. The guy was arrested a few feet from the college campus parking lot he just exited. He wasn't a wealthy guy and couldn't afford the $5,000 lawyer to get him off so now he has a drug conviction on his record. He got summoned to the deans office after I scrambled for 24 hrs straight trying to get him out of the county jail. It was crazy they threw this college student with a clean record in with murders and rapists over a quantity of marijuana a junkie wouldn't even try to smoke.

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You insult the black community and when you are challenged you appoint yourself the insult police? Maybe take your own advice.

 

I doubt the veracity of your story.

I worked with the DEA for 10 years and I'm married to a prosecuting attorney. I see exactly how such things play out..

No good kid ends up in jail over a marijuana butt.

 

you could be right, the pot thing is just a derail anyway. Point of my post was to list 2 separate views and set of statistics. Which just like all statistics just depends on how you want to interpret the numbers to make a point. If weed and imprisonment for weed was the worst issue the black community faced we would be lucky. Just an opinion here but the decline of 2 parent homes and marriage is the biggest issue for society as a whole and the black community in particular. Parents need to get back to parenting no matter what the color of the skin is and yes this is offtopic also I guess

 

Frankly given the um "quality" of man who usually runs out on his family I have to question whether the kids would be better off if such a "man" was in the picture.

I'll relate a personal story here. When I was younger I was married to this woman, we had a child together. When the child was 2 I came home from work one day and there she was with another man. I kicked her out and divorced her. She just moved away, never even sought visitation with her son, who is now 21 and hasn't seen his mom once to his memory. No birthday cards, no Christmas presents, no phone calls, no nothing.

Sad, yes. But I believe he is 100% better off with her not in his life.

Apparently he agrees because for his 14th bday I hired a PI who found her and gave him an address and a phone number where he could reach her if he so desired. He hasn't done so yet.

 

Two things. There are 50 states and numerous localities. Only a complete moron would assume the marijuana laws in California are the same as the marijuana laws in Texas. Also only a complete moron would assume most drug arrests are federal (ie DEA, FBI, etc). I'm saying it again. Stop obsessing about Washington D.C. When most of us drive down the road we don't look nervously in our rear view mirror because we are worried federal agents are going to pull us over.

This is from a freedom loving small government red state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atwater_v._Lago_Vista

I am not married to a prosecutor and I have never worked for the DEA and even I know a white woman in Texas was cuffed in front of her children and tossed in the slammer for a seat belt violation. Now I've got some guy on the internet telling me if she had pot in the car instead she would have been let off with a warning.

 

Check the rules newb. Insulting a group is permitted within very broad parameters. Insulting a poster not. Further, you need to address the post, or the larger topic, and not the poster. Here is your offending post again. Notice what I bolded:

I'm not the topic, much less somehow waived of conduct according to the rules. Now see if you can post within the rules. Thanks.

 

HAHAHAHAHA did you even read the case you cited?

The court ruled that such an arrest for a misdemeanor that is punishable only by a fine does not constitute an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment.

arrest=/= being sent to jail. People are arrested and then bonded out on the cost of the fine all the time. Which is EXACTLY how 99% of simple pot possession cases go down.. You get arrested, you get booked and you can pay the fine and be on your way. Or you can pay the bond then fight the charges later in court if you wish

NO ONE is in prison for simple marijuana possession.

 

Can't say the majority of offenders in prison are pot dealers, just that there are way more than necessary. And as I said no one can really argue about the hard drug convicts.

Honestly I think O'Reilly has a good point about crime in the black community, but I doubt it being so widely ignored by real black community leaders.

http://norml.org/news/2006/10/12/ne...billion-annually-to-incarcerate-pot-offenders