MOD ALERT "Last week, 26-year old Allentown, Pennsylvania resident, Amanda Hein, was arrested on homicide charges after she delivered her newborn son in the bathroom of a pub and then, according to investigators, took that “alive and viable” boy of 33 to 36 weeks’ gestation and killed him, putting him in a plastic bag and leaving him in the tank of the toilet. The child’s body was discovered on Aug. 19, by cleaners at Starters Pub after the toilet wouldn’t flush. Workers opened the tank of the toilet where they uncovered the boy wrapped in a plastic bag that had lined a small garbage can in the stall, Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli said. Morganelli said he saw photos of the newborn and that he looked like a “full-term baby.” “I’ve seen dead people, shot, strangled,” Morganelli said. “But when you’re dealing with a baby, it is very difficult.” Hein could face the death penalty for allegedly suffocating the newborn. Mark Crutcher president of Life Dynamics Inc. a national pro-life organization located in Denton, Texas, responded, “Why are the nation’s pro-choice organizations not rushing to the defense of this woman? Remember, two of their standard arguments in support of abortion is that (a) women are the ones who get to determine when life begins and (b) the government has no legal right to tell a woman she has to have a baby she doesn’t want. Well, if those things are true, Ms. Hein fits the pro-choice model to a tee. After all, if she says that her baby’s life had not yet begun. What right does the State of Pennsylvania have to question that? And if she says that she has the legal right to decide for herself whether she wants to have a child or not, how is she different than any other woman sitting in the waiting room of any abortion clinic in the country?” Crutcher continues, “The fact is, if the body of this little boy had been found in the bathroom of an abortion clinic instead of in the bathroom of a bar, the country would have never heard about it and Ms. Hein would just be another enlightened woman exercising her constitutional right to choose. But the abortion lobby recognizes that this story is radioactive and that appearing to justify what happened here would be a public relations nightmare. So they’ve dropped Ms. Hein in the grease. But make no mistake about it, whether the pro-choice community wants to claim her or not, she is their poster child.” http://www.theminorityreportblog.co...d-for-abortion-industry-says-pro-life-leader/ What I find so interesting is that the majority of the pro-aborts here believe that a woman has the right to kill her child....even in the ninth month. This child was almost full term. Her mistake...not killing it by a licensed abortionist at a PP clinic....but did it herself. It makes a difference if it is killed..inside the womb or outside. So how many pro-aborts think she should be charged with murder? Should she get the death penalty for this? Or should she be a pro-abort heroine...and poster girl? What difference should it make whether the child is killed inside the womb or out? This woman did not want this baby and got rid of it? She exercised her choice..... What say you? Edit/Insulting comment/(try 'Pro Choice' instead)
your own words make this an epic fail ... was this a birth, yep it was .. did she kill the baby after it was born .. yep she did . so it wasn't an abortion then was it. Nope, that is his myopic viewpoint which bears little resemblance to reality. a) Women determine whether they decide to have an abortion, not when life begins. b) No they don't and neither should they, however this woman committed murder on a born child, not an abortion. Stating an opinion as fact is the same as lying, would seem Crutcher follows the same path as most pro-lifers in using lies to justify their totalitarian ideals. Why would the pro-choice people be even slightly worried about this, she killed a born child . .that is murder, not abortion. Nah, you just willfully ignore the obvious in your inquisition.
Why is the baby a person after it's born, but not before it's born? geographic location does not determine personhood.
Why do you keep asking the same bloody question that have been answered hundreds of times already. Come on Sam you are so intelligent why don't you tell me what the differences are between unborn and born apart from location?
Leave it up to pro-"lifers" to take the tragic death of a child and use it as political football. I don't know any pro-choicers who believe that a woman has the right to electively terminate her pregnancy at nine months. It isn't anything I'd support, nor have I seen anyone here breathlessly supporting it. What should really be the issue is how this woman managed to give birth inside a public restroom without anyone noticing, and why she would just randomly ditch the newborn inside the toilet. It all seems fairly sudden to me. What was obviously committed was a crime. I am not exactly sure why this has anything to do with abortion, but I wouldn't put it past pro-"lifers" to use it to score some cheap points.
By the way, if anyone is actually interested in reading the REAL story, instead of the one pointlessly politicized by pro-"lifers", here it is. I couldn't find any evidence where she fits the pro-choice model to a tee.
It kind of makes you wonder how indifferent pro-"lifers" are to tragedy. Between churchmouse and Mr.Crutcher, I didn't feel they expresseda any form of sympathy or outrage by this event alone, but instead used it against their political opponents. This isn't just a bunch of perfectly arranged text, but an extremely tragic event that involved two human beings in our reality. Yet, the only thing pro-"lifers" can manage is exploiting a newborn's death. It just seems very inhuman...kind of like the woman who just whimisically killed her baby.
Abortion is permissible because the child is a parasite upon the body of the mother - once it's been born that characteristic is gone. #devilsadvocate #dontkillthemessenger
No Pro-Choice person would EVER condone killing a born child.....your sick and twisted minds have created a monster under the bed.
Can't have an abortion if the baby is already born. I've also never seen any choicers here arguing that a mother should be able to kill her child after it's born. Curiously enough, it's the lifers who exclusively bring that up. Makes me wonder if they don't secretly want to. This does not belong in the abortion forum.
I see this woman as the poster Girl for Pro-Life. She had an unwanted pregnancy, yet she refused to have an abortion, waiting until the child was born to kill it, after all, Pro-life concern for the child ends at birth, and the kid is fair game at that point....
Churchmouse when she tries to say this is abortion related. The child was born. Abortion is moot at that point.
But the fact is....had she killed it while it was in the womb you would defend her. You believe she would have that option because your pro-late term abortion. So the only mistake she made...was not killing it inside her body....or killing it before it took a breath. I am right....aren't I? And you didn't answer the questions once again. LOL So how many pro-aborts think she should be charged with murder? Should she get the death penalty for this? Or should she be a pro-abort heroine...and poster girl? What difference should it make whether the child is killed inside the womb or out? This woman did not want this baby and got rid of it? She exercised her choice..... What say you pro-aborts?
Because inside a womb is an abortion and outside a womb is murder. Once you are an independent entity, which happens at birth, your life is no longer explicitly tied to your mother and her body. You now have your own rights. You are now a person.
See the pro-abort community here thinks its ok if a doctor had killed the child in the womb...before it was born and at this gestational age. They don't think it should have rights. They just want the abortionist to get a salary for doing this. You hire it done..its ok. You do it yourself its murder. A child is the same inside the womb as one second out of the womb.
You pro-aborts never answer questions...never. You didn't his...you don't mine. To think that you fugazi thinks it ok if this woman had been sitting in a abortion mill...having the doctor kill this full term baby...and at the same gestational age its wrong..that the mother do it just because she did it the minute it came out. Why should the baby have more rights after being born one second than when it was in the womb. You mean one breath means its a person? You would condone an abortion had done it...the same day she did it.
And the truth doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the pro-death propaganda machine. Killing is the answer...and for you Fugazi...your opinion your position places a full term baby...on the chopping block as you condone late term abortions on demand for ANY reason a woman wants to give. You give the child NO rights...whatsoever. What does that say about your position?
but the fact is .. she didn't kill it while it was in the womb, did she so you can throw all the "what if's" you want in this direction and it still won't change what actually happened will it? There is no logical question to answer, just your usage of a tragic occurrence to further your own propaganda. I don't know why don't you ask some pro-aborts, when you address me by my forum name or the group I fall under perhaps you might get an answer. More like a pro-life poster girl, after all she did what you all want, to see the pregnancy through to its finish .. didn't she? If you don't know that then I suggest you start from the beginning and learn the basics. Why don't you ask some you religious anti-choicer.
And yet more dishonest drivel. When you have no point you seem to believe iy's better to make things up. Disgusting
The truth makes a lot of difference to me, you should try using it sometimes it's good for the soul you know. This whole topic has absolutely nothing to do with abortion, you have used it to fuel your inquisition . .how truthful is that?
