What would you do as a visitor in Hell?

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  1. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've always felt like a visitor here.
     
  2. tecoyah

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    Yup....fortunately both my replies and the burning pit of eternal suffering and fictitious.
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    One example please where Hitler said something in his book "Mein K[r]ampf" about the christian religion what has only a little to do with any doctrine of the catholic church or with the christian religion in general. Hitler believed not in the living and life giving rules of god - and his propagandistic book "Mein K[r]ampf" shows this very well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eB5tUZwEys
     
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    For example: A circle did not evolve from quantum foam. It was existing since the very first plank second of the existance of the universe. Otherwise you had to define when the universe was a universe and when it was not the universe - so we have to ask for an allowness to use mathematcis to study the past of the universe. What we think today is the same what we think since much more than thousand years - today I could say: in the plank second before the first plank second was nothing - absolutelly nothing. In our elder christian expressions we say "God made everything out of nothing".

    This process of creation is by the way not the only process of creation. Human beings became for example artists in history. Suddenly from a very first moment we were "perfect" artists. Nothing evolved really - we have "only" more expressions today in arts. I guess someone who made something out of his/her talent to be able to be an artists understands this very well. Picasso for example tried in his later years to become a child in his paintings again.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLDa8IB6NAU

    PS: I fear also that it is do difficult for american Christians - or in general for all Christians in the english speaking world - to get a good contact to the real scientific theory of evolution, because the Christiasn would run into the ideogical swords of supporters of social darwinism (="Nazis") . It's perhaps better for the Christians in the english speaking world to doubt in the theory of evolution in General, instead to take only one wrong scocial darwinistic argument serios.
     
  7. Anobsitar

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    I guess it is “Death, where is the battle you thought you were winning? Death, where is your sting?” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfrm_2gIMYw .
     
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    Here's a starter kit. There is plenty more.


    “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
    the Almighty Creator.”

    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

    “What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the
    fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
    assigned to it by the Creator.”

    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]

    “This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
    practical existence of a religious belief.”

    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

    “And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
    estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove
    those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.”

    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]

    “Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the
    enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”
     
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    So you believe in the "throw the baby out with the bath water" method because you think Christians can't parse good argument?
    Plenty of evidence for that.
     
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    Good joke. On page 46 of "Mein Krampf" is written something completly different. If I search for "allmighty" ("allmächtig") then he used this word in page 70 the first time in a completly mad way and the next position is page 439 - and this text shows also very clear that he was an heretics. I tried also other ways to find this text in the german version of "Mein Kampf" but also the word "Schöpfer" (Creator) and "Wille" (will) showed not what you say here.

    Don't waste my time any longer! I have other things to do then to read something about the completly mad ideas of a criminal mass-murderer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKaYn_fWEaw
     
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    I agree he was mad.
    That doesn't mean he didn't use Christianity to defend it.
    How many more quotes from Mein Kampf do you need. There are dozens.
     
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    For what "evidence"? For the naked clothes of the emperor?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttv0ljOiPSs
     
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    No dear.
    For Christians not being able to parse argument well, as it said clearly in my post, and as you now conveniently demonstrate.
     
  14. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    The interesting thing about a circle is that it's only visible as a circle when it is viewed from a perfectly perpendicular viewpoint.

    Quantum foam may not be nothing but it's the closest thing there is to nothing. When people say that God made everything from nothing they are really saying that everything came from quantum foam. It's noteworthy that there are several very large areas of nothing in our visible range. It would be amazing to see stuff appear in those voids but our life cycles are too brief. http://www.newscientist.com/article...-billion-light-years-across.html#.Uk5pwmYo4dU
     
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    You are just simple wrong. Everything what Hitler wrote in his book "Mein K[r]ampf" shows very clear his antchristian attitudes. Pascalina Lehnert remebered very well what Mr. Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII) said in 1929: „Dieser Mensch ist völlig von sich selbst besessen, alles, was nicht ihm dient, verwirft er, was er sagt und schreibt, trägt den Stempel seiner Selbstsucht, dieser Mensch geht über Leichen und tritt nieder, was ihm im Weg ist – ich kann nur nicht begreifen, dass selbst so viele von den Besten in Deutschland dies nicht sehen oder wenigstens aus dem, was er schreibt und sagt, eine Lehre ziehen. – Wer von all diesen hat überhaupt das haarsträubende Buch ‚Mein Kampf‘ gelesen?“ Germany went with open eyes into the own destruction - and the world helped Hitler a lot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8A9rtg0iI
    I had it translated

    This man is totally self-obsessed, everything that does not serve him, he rejects what he says and writes, bears the stamp of his selfishness, this man will stop at nothing and takes down whatever is in its path - I can only do not realize that even so many do not see this from the best in Germany or at least from what he writes and says a lesson. - Who of all these has ever read the hair-raising book, Mein Kampf?
     
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    No. We normally say and think "nothing" - not "quantum foam" - if we use the word "nothing". "Quantum foam" is something.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPMnMmnZ2Zc
     
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    The moment I entered, I'd get a few demons on my side, take the place over in a coup and immediately introduce 24 hour forking of popes along with some really deep pits, full of very angry scorpions.
    I'd walk the earth at least one a week and whisper evil thoughts into Obama's ears.
    "Introduce simplified gun laws so five year old kids can easily get hold of assault rifles".
    Apart from giving half the NRA membership a heart attack (A fast way to collect new souls for hell), it'd produce loads of dead people to keep my pits warm on cold winter evenings.
     
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    how do you explain these quotes?

    The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

    Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:



    National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)


    10th October, 1941, midday:



    Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)


    14th October, 1941, midday:



    The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)


    19th October, 1941, night:



    The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.


    21st October, 1941, midday:



    Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)


    13th December, 1941, midnight:



    Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

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    I do know I could never be happy in a 'heaven' if I knew my god was punishing my loved ones in a 'hell'




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    Hitlers what?

    Hitler had a real view?

    Hitler is for me personally a completly uninteresting person. The good news is: he's dead. The bad news is: others too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kENJm15zPU
     
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    Quantum foam is invisible and undetectable but it's the first thing up from nothing. Quantum foam comes from nothing. Eventually it progresses to where we are now and it will continue to evolve.

    There's a big void of nothing that's 1 billion light years in size that's visible from here. It would be interesting to see it evolve into hydrogen gas and then stars and galaxies.
     
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    But if HIlter was in heaven, that'd mean all non-Aryanists are in hell, not just ghandi

    Because Hitler's God and Heaven would be a different God and Heaven than most people have

    Though how do you know it wouldn't be the Mormon heaven - and how would Hitler be in a Mormon heaven?

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    How would Hilter, an ex-Catholic, be in Catholic heaven, according to the Catholic bible? I'm pretty sure that he'd committed quite a few mortal sins which he never confessed before his death.

    Or how would be in Mormon heaven at all, according to the Mormon bible?

    Not to mention some sects consider suicide a sentence to hell, so how would he be in their heaven?
     
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    Didn't God say that he will have mercy on whom he wants to have mercy on?
     
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    A physical hell does not exist, and most Christians do not believe in one - most Christians believe that the 'torture' is spiritual separation from God, not a literal fire - this is why this strawman is so inherently stupid
     
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    Didn't Jesus say that the fire is real?
     

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