Will Obama care break us?

I'm looking at what government is going to pay and look at how many people have opted out from Obama care and wonder how it's all going to get paid for with 48% not paying taxes and business cutting hours and laying off so as to not pay for health care. Then Obama gives Congress a big break too that the rest of us aren't getting. Where is the money going to come from?

Obama Grants Congress Obamacare Reprieve

The Obama administration has granted members of Congress and their staffers an exemption from a provision of Obamacare that could have cost them thousands of dollars a year in added health insurance costs,

Congress currently allots itself generous health coverage through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. Nearly 75 percent of premiums are taken care of. But under Obamacare, our representatives and their worker bees will be thrown onto the health care exchanges like millions of Americans – without the FEHB subsidy. Fair is fair, right?

Well, just two days after Obama assured Democratic lawmakers he was on the case – though make no mistake, many Republicans want action too – the administration has ruled that while Congress must hit the exchanges, the subsidy for their insurance will continue.

It’s good to be the king. And it’s good to be the nobility too. LINK

Obama Grants Congress Obamacare Reprieve The Obama administration has granted members of

http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/0...care-reprieve/




America has a two-party system. But it’s not Republicans versus Democrats. It’s the ruling class — Republicans and Democrats — against everyone else. Consider how President Obama just gave Congress its very own Obamacare waiver.

Obamacare includes a provision that should cost each member of Congress and each staffer $5,000 to $11,000 per year. Needless to say, the ruling class was not pleased.

Congress wasn’t about to try to exempt itself from this provision explicitly, though. If John Q. Congressman voted to give himself an Obamacare waiver that his constituents don’t get, he wouldn’t be John Q. Congressman much longer. What’s an aristocrat to do?


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Does this sound like to much? Is this why Republicans are against it? Could it break the government?
Or am I taking this wrong? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/not-pl...111054106.html

If you earn up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level ($45,960 for an individual and $94,200 for a family of four this year) you’ll be eligible for a subsidy, which will come in the form of a tax credit. Subsidies are based on your family size and your earnings. The less you earn, the higher the subsidy.

With the subsidies, more than half of Americans should be able to find health insurance for less than $100 a month, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, although you might choose to pay more.

 

Even Labor Unions Are Opting Out of Obamacare

Obamacare, officially known as the "Affordable Care Act", is quickly proving to be so unaffordable that neither businesses nor labor unions want anything to do with it.

In increasing numbers, US business complain about ‘Obamacare’ costs (but they are not the only ones).

David Dillon, chief executive of the Kroger supermarket chain, told the Financial Times that some companies might opt to pay a government-mandated penalty for not providing insurance because it was cheaper than the cost of coverage.

Nigel Travis, head of Dunkin’ Brands, said his doughnut chain was lobbying to change the definition of “full-time” employees eligible for coverage from those working at least 30 hours a week to 40 hours a week.

Some restaurants, including Wendy’s and Taco Bell franchises, have explored slashing worker hours so fewer employees qualify for health insurance, arguing that they cannot afford the additional healthcare costs. Other businesses are deliberately keeping headcounts below 50.

The penalty for not providing coverage is $2,000 per worker. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a non-partisan policy group, the average annual cost to employers of insurance is $4,664 for a single worker and $11,429 for a family.

Companies with more than 50 workers have to pay a penalty if they do not provide full-time employees with health insurance. The employees can instead buy private coverage subsidised by the government on new insurance exchanges.
Not Even Labor Unions Want It

If it's costly for businesses, labor unions must like it. Right? Wrong.

The Washington Time reports Labor unions that pushed Obamacare through want out
Unions, or rather the professional class of union leaders, were vehement supporters of Obamacare’s federal takeover of health care. Now that they’ve had a chance to actually read the 2,801-page bill and “find out what is in it,” they are upset and want out.

Major unions like the AFL-CIO and the Teamsters are now demanding that they be allowed to stay on their current health care plans and receive government subsidies to cover the increased costs some of Obamacare’s provisions will impose on lower-income workers. They want to eat their government cake and have it too. What else is new? Who would foot the bill? You guessed it: We, the taxpayers.

The rank hypocrisy of Obamacare-backing unions began almost immediately after the passage of the bill three years ago, with hundreds of thousands of union workers being exempted from the law through waivers from the Obama administration.

In total, more than 1,200 entities were granted waivers from President Obama‘s signature legislation, the vast majority of them labor unions. In fact, unions representing 543,812 workers received waivers, while only 69,813 employees at private firms, many of them small businesses, managed to secure a waiver.

The same unions that fought tooth and nail to impose this program on all Americans used million-dollar lobbyists to make sure they didn’t have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.

Readers will recall Mr. Obama’s constant mantra: “If you like your health care, you can keep it.” Not so. According to the Congressional Budget Office, more than 7 million Americans will lose their employer-based insurance thanks to Obamacare. Unintended consequences always come back to haunt us, and try though they might, government actors are incapable of overturning economic law by mere decree.
Job Market Distortions

I have commented on the labor market distortions of Obamacare many times.

Here is a brief recap: Since the "Unaffordable Care Act" defines full-time employment at 30 hours, many businesses are cutting back the number of hours employees can work to 25. In turn, this led to more hiring, all part-time jobs of course. Some medium-sized businesses reduced employment to under 50 workers and other businesses turned to consultants to get around the act.

Now businesses are investigating opting out of the plan even for full-time employees. Other than social pressures and disgruntled employees, why not?

Arguably, every business should opt out and pay the penalty. Businesses could even give a nice subsidy to its employees and come out ahead. Let voters see for themselves just how "affordable" Obamacare is.

As a primary benefit, if enough businesses do opt out, there will be massive voter support to scrap or at least overhaul the damn program.

http://finance.townhall.com/columni...re-opting-out-of-obamacare-n1515572/page/full

 

Yes. giving healthcare to poor people will be the end of your civilization.

You know.. instead of, say, being overrun by third world immigrants or.. being ruled by a jewish oligarchy. Keep worrying about that healthcare reform.

 

haha yeah uninsured children will not have healthcare DISASTER!!!!!

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not against giving health care to the poor, or to those that have previous problems and can't get it. But is there a better way of doing it? To many people and businesses can opt out of Obama care. We already have 47% of the population not paying taxes. With all these people opting out and companies cutting back hours and laying off, how in the world can we pay for this and build the economy? Can we try and look at this in a non partisan way and get a clearer picture?

 

He is being over dramatic, however you are doing no better.

Will this drop the amount of hours the average worker works?

Will businesses further automate to reduce costs, reducing jobs?

Is this just a blip that will be corrected?

Are companies purposefully over cutting people that shouldn't be fired?

There are a lot of questions that come along with this bill other than, "it's good to give people insurance or not"

 

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there are a lot of problems that come with everything govt does the point is you have 50 million uninsured, thanks to obamacare you don't anymore. you have finally caught up with the rest of the civilised world, be proud of it and stop (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing.

 

Don't you think both sides should be forced to sit down together and work out the problems with Obama care instead of plowing on and bankrupting the nation? We know this is going to kill jobs and cut hours and that is the last thing we need to happen. I can't believe we can't help the poor with health care without hurting jobs and the economy

 

No, but you could wind up with 50 million unemployed, or 50 million under employed. That isn't good either.

 

Yes I completely agree, it's just that both parties are acting like children and each sides cheering section goes to all the forums and endlessly throws each sides talking points at each other until kingdom come....

It's hilarious, both sides are saying the same damn thing.

The problem is that this wasn't a bipartisan thing in the first place. Blame whoever you want, but such dis inclusion had caused that side to completely hate the other.

It should all be blown up and start from scratch, not that it ever will...

 

who's being over dramatic now?

 

Already the two main entitlement SS and Medicare are going broke. Just how can the idiot Obama and the democrats think we can pay for their obamacare??????

 

This is when the Republicans need to pass an alternative to Obamacare into law that will cover the poor and offer affordable catastrophic coverage to those of more means, for example the Federal government can take over all costs for Medicaid expanding it to 138% of the poverty line and tier the costs to use it a bit. Then do a Catastrophic Health Care plan people must take that is affordable but no annual penalties make them pay more when they opt in, if not covered by other health care. Keep all the taxes as they are. Then when they want to repeal the ACA the alternative is in place and one many might support in both parties.

 

Obamacare makes it more expensive. How does tht help working families? When your medical care can compete with our recovery rates maybe then you should talk. Until then mind your own outdated medical system.

Get over the anti Jewish sentiments. You euros really got a thing against them and it is completely unfounded.

 

I dont give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) about obamacare. What im wondering is why do you?

You do realise that once non whites are a majority (with hispanics and blacks being the biggest groups) they'll create a full welfare state? So every single victory you have on economic issues today will disappear in a few decades. You know this, so why dont you worry about the things that matter?

As for the jews, i cant understand why you're not more worried about it. Jews are doing everything in their power to destroy white conservative america but you just cant bring yourself to realise that?

 

Then why mention healthcare?

Nuts. Most of conservatives America's platform today comes from one Jewish man Milton Friedman. I know plenty of jews, they are fine.

If you don't like the birth rate of white people fight abortion, not minorities who aren't killing their children. I have a good deal more of a respect for a welfare mother then an abortion mother.

 

Yeeesssss........... your platform comes from milton friedman and as a result you're economy is in ruins and white people who would love to vote conservative simply cant afford to do that anymore. Friedman was a demonic little midget.

The birth rate issue is bad (and the j00z arent innocent in this case either) but thats not the real issue. Japan has low birthrates and its suffering because of it, but Japan wont disappeart from the face of the earth. 50 years from now white america will be just a distant memory.

Like i said, if you loose the immigration battle then you will loose every other battle aswell. If you dont see that then you deserve to be destroyed.

 

Just thought this information would be relevant to the fearmongering about how Obamacare is obviously go to DESTROY US ALL!

 

Yes. It's called single-payer.

 

So then, tell us YOUR brilliant idea for solving the problem of 44 million uninsured Americans. You're so opposed to Obamacare that I figure you MUST know a better way to do it.

BTW, no other country goes broke from making sure all of their citizens can get medical care. Is America that much stupider than every other developed country on earth? How is it that everyone else has figured this out, and we can't?

 

That is pretty much where we are now if you count underemployed. 14% for sure.

 

Thanks for asking. Jobs, a vibrant economy, deregulating insurance and medicine to a great deal, and vouchers for the poor for healthcare based on a sliding scale and full non line item tax credits for people who can buy their own.

yes they do. Also they get poorer care and more people die. If we had the poor medical recovery rates europe or canada has it would cost us more
Lives annualy then the entire war on terror.

No, that is why you are about 15% less likely to die of cancer here then in the UK.

Have they? They are less likely to survive every major disease category on earth. Why do you think they are better then us?

 

Think back to the Clinton years. A vibrant economy. Deregulated insurance and medicine. And 40 million uninsured.

Well, actually, that's not even close to being true. They do get less expensive care, because their systems focus on prevention and early treatment, rather than waiting until a disease gets really expensive, or forcing people to go to the ER for minor ailments. But in fact, America ranks 37th among the world's nations in health measures like life expectancy and infant mortality. That's a statistic we should be ashamed of.

Because they have better health outcomes AND cover all of their citizens AND pay half of what we do.

 

You can't break what's already broken. We have a debt so large that the average person would have a share larger than the median income. We are on barrowed time, and it's only a matter of time before the rest of the world catches on to this. Our currency is also being devalued by the QE (which btw is still going on, because inflation is apparently a good thing) -- which again means it's only a matter of time before the rest of the world dumps dollars for Yuan or Euros and leaves us with a Weimar Republic or something similar. Ask the Russians what happens when the system collapses, because it was coming before Obamacare, and it's only coming faster now. We're broke, and that's the bottom line.

 

Tea Party member to Wright Brothers request for government funding for heavier than air flying machine:

HELL NO! We do not believe it is possible. Therefore,to attempt to build such a machine and attempt to fly such a machine would be a waste of tax payer dollars, and besides WE DONT NEED AIRPLANES because we are perfectly happy with the Hot Air Balloon ride at the county fair.