Conservatives: Explain to me why you dislike Christie

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  1. ErikBEggs

    ErikBEggs New Member

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    Christie is about to win in an absolute landslide, Cuccinelli is getting ousted.

    Voters in this country want the guy that is willing to compromise and get things done. They want the candidate that will work for the people and not to win an argument for their constituency. Not only is Christie winning the New Jersey race handily, New Jersey is one of the bluest states in the nation. He is winning with conservatives, minorities, and independent voters alike. How is this not a recipe for the future of the GOP??

    So what is Christie doing differently?

    1) He is focusing on the fiscal conservative policies and leaving the social issues alone. His personal stance may be against gay marriage, but he is not willing to obstruct social policies that do not coincide with his personal beliefs.

    2) He reached across the aisle to work with the President on Sandy recovery. Obviously this pisses off the GOP

    3) He is not afraid to criticize his own party. You can have views, but partisan politics is a gang. Voters want a candidate that will work for him.

    Hopefully Christie's success will spark a fire in the GOP.


    So conservatives... explain to me why and how Ted Cruz and the Tea Party absolutists are a better future of our country vs. a bipartisan approach. Go!
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Mostly due to a complete lack of interest, I don't know much about the guy.

    While I do remember him receiving some flack for his photo-op'ing with the President, he seems to be a bit less conservative than many would like. Just my opinion.

    If he's fiscally conservative and silent on social issues, he's OK with me.
    He seems pretty weak on social issues anyway.
    My concerns would be that he is weak in other areas too.

    That said, I'm an outsider and don't have to research him and make that choice.

    He'll never make it far into the Republican primaries so he really is a non-issue for most of the country.

    Your other question I can't address because it is based on failed accusations and no reality.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love the guy. Granted many Republicans don't like him because of how he acted around Obama during the big hurricane damaged done to his state. They don't believe you give the enemy credit for anything. They don't like the idea that Christie doesn't toe the mark as they think he should.

    But is he any worse than Liberals that will put up with everything their Party does? Who except every lie their President and Party tell them? I like Christie because he is his own man. He stands up for what he thinks is right no matter what his Party says. By God we need more like him in both Parties.
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Christie does some things right, he also believes alot of things that I don't believe. he isn't a conservative. He is a moderate, we ran moderates 3 out of the last 4 elections for president and lost. Christie would be no different.
     
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    You ran moderates and lost due to bad campaigns. Palin on the ticket sealed the deal, as did Mitt Romney's dumb, disingenious hard-liner routine that he started just to appeal to hyper conservatives.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your right. Who told Romney that Jeep was closing plants and moving them to China? He was dumb writing off 47% of the population that don't pay taxes. His view on GM cost him Michigan and Ohio and many other states that depend on the auto industry. There was no way investers could have bought out GM to save it. Banks were broke and not lending money.

    They did a poor job of getting Palin ready for interviews. She knew nothing of how Washington and foreign policy. She had only been out of the country once. They allowed Obama and the press to get away with lies about Romney sending jobs over seas. The Democrats had their act together.
     
  7. ErikBEggs

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    Hard liner conservatives will never win another Election. It is mathematically impossible. I'm from the northeast, and hard liner conservatives can't even win the most basic local elections. They have to be moderate to even stand a chance. There are too many gays, minorities, women, and millenials to mathematically pull off a win for a tea party republican. Between the Pacific Coast and the Northeast, you are already behind by ~120 votes out of the gate.
     
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    He is not conservative. He lauds the scoundrel in the White House on broadly ranging issues outside of his Hurricane money, attacks the NRA and Rand Paul...

    That is three strikes against for most conservatives.
     
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    He's anti-gun. Enough said!
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's also right. You can't (*)(*)(*)(*) off the Blacks, Hispanics, gays, women and Liberal Whites and expect to win.
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Thats not true at all. Palin actually gave McCain a boost in the polls until the economy tanked, then it was blame bush and so on. Romney didn't lose because of Ryan, he lost because there was no real contrast between himself and Obama.
     
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    He's a pragmatist and seems to understand how to bring both sides together to get things done. I hope he makes it through the meat grinder that is the Republican primary as I'd probably vote for him.
     
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    That is not true at all. I am from NJ and a part where its very conservative. Our state reps and local communities are all conservative.
     
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    noone faults anyone in situations like that. That's what's SUPPOSED to happen.


    willing to compromise is code for "do what the democrats want him to do"

    compromise needs give and take from BOTH sides. you are confusing APPEASEMENT with COMPROMISE.
     
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    So why would people vote for him say, over someone like Hillary?
     
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    I love when liberals offer conservatives advice on how to win elections.
     
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    As a newly labeled RINO, with mostly Conservative leanings I have noted that Chris Christie holds many of the beliefs I do, and most Republicans did a decade ago. His lack of popularity may have something to do with the "Old School" mentality that seems to have fallen out of favor with the party, yet once literally defined it. His ability to govern based on the entire population yet still manage the conservative values that address many of his state issues have appealed to a majority of voters, partially because he seems one of the very few Republicans that still do listen.

    Most now seem to ignore most of the voices, which alienates the majority in favor of pleasing a small minority. In my opinion the "Christy Model" could be the salvation of the party.....but I seriously doubt they will pay attention to it until forced to.
     
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    The Base hated Romney....until he locked up the Nomination in the Spring of '12.

    By the Convention, they were not only defending him, but trying to convince us (and themselves) that he was "Reaganesque".

    For all the Right's hatred of Christie...he wins the Nomination? They'll fall in love with him (again) and rally behind him by Summer of 2016.

    All Christie has to do is what Romney did....get all the Big Donors, divide the Far Right among a few Looney Candidates, win plurality wins in the Primaries, and use his deep pockets to buy negative TV ads if one of them becomes too popular (ref: Newt and Santorum last year).
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't that just what Reagan did?
     
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    Because you guys desperately want him is reason enough. You smell corruption and flip-flopping, with some underlying goals including gun control and obamacare. Christie is absolutely silent on the many failures of the ACA.
     
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    I love when conservatives lose elections and continue to pretend that they don't need advice. :)

    - - - Updated - - -

    It isn't Christie's job to fight ACA. It is Christie's job to govern his state to the best of his ability, not fight GOP political battles. That is your fault if you can't respect that.
     
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    My advice to conservatives is....run a "pure conservative" for President in 2016. Somebody so far Right he makes Rick Santorum look like Barbara Boxer.

    Then, purge the Party of all moderates and "RINOs". Push for mass deportation of undocumented immigrants....an Amendment banning gay marriage and abortion.....privatizing Social Security and Medicare...scrapping every domestic policy enacted back to 1890...and call for an immediate invasion of Iran and/or massive carpet bombing.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't think the Democrats threw negative adds at Romney? Remember how they said Romney shipped jobs to China? Remember the adds of Republicans pushing an old woman in a wheel chair off a cliff? Why is it we can't look honestly at both sides?
     
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    ErikBEggs New Member

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    LOL!!! Please do that. Democrats will win 90% of the vote on that platform. Good luck with that one!
     
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    Sure, Reagan compromised all the time. Raised taxes....worked with Tip O'Neil to save (not privatize) Social Security....gave up his "nuclear cowboy" talk and signed treaties with the Soviets.....appoinited pro-choice Justices to the USSC.....and signed an amnesty.
     

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