Let’s Get This Class War Started

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  1. VanishingPoint

    VanishingPoint Active Member

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    I wonder when we can start tearing down all those unsightly tract castles! One of the root causes of oil addiction in America.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get a kick out of seeing all of these Capitalistas complain about welfare. Unregulated capitalism creates extreme wealth and extreme poverty, which is why welfare is needed. If you want your multi-billionaires, you're gonna have to accept the fact that many people can't keep up in a sink-or-swim society.

    I see poor people getting exploited every day. They work their butts off and make rich people richer. That will only happen for so long before they get angry enough to revolt... I mean a real revolution.

    If the superwealthy were smart, they'd start sharing the wealth soon, before the increasingly poor working class snap.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what the "class-warfare" folks don't understand is that we NEED verture capitalists to have the drive and ingenuity to start businesses, make products, all in the hopes of getting rich. they drive our economy. they hire our people.

    we need them.

    all we need to do is pass laws that make sure that they do a much better job of sharing their profits with the people doing the work that make their products and make their companies run.

    yes, nothing wrong with being rich. nothing wrong with being filthy rich. but you should have the decency to bring up the folks who are helping you get that way.

    and if you wont do it on your own, we should pass laws to help you.

    will some of these folks just move their businesses to Mexico and China, rather than having to respect their workers? sure.
     
  4. danielpalos

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    because the wealthiest can simply "purchase" better privileges and immunities.

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    when we convince our elected representatives that we will give them two terms to get us into fusion power.
     
  5. Armor For Sleep

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    They're dead weights on our economy, most of them. Look through any list of rich people and see how often real estate pops up. Hint: most real estate value comes from land value, which is not privately but publicly created, and is nothing but a free handout.
     
  6. USSR

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    They can ,its when Robbers called property developers ,get their government ,to evict Home owners to build what they need to make a quid.

    What that has to do with socialism ,is anyone 's guess, except in the mind of the person who is brainwashed, into identifying US Capitalist Liberalism ,with Socialism .

    US Liberalism =Imperialism with a Smiley face.
     
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    Now lets see, do you really think that US Capitalism ,has allowed socialism to develop and survive for the last 100 odd years ,right under its nose.

    Next you will be saying Obama is a Socialist ???!!!

    $85bn a month in CAPITALIST WELFARE PAYMENTS to Wall Street and the NYSE ,kind of proves you WRONG!

    See us Socialists ,would Divert the Trillions into ,rebuilding the Industrial cities like Detroit ,establish a free Universal Health System ,by Nationalising the Wealth of the private sector ,and Tax Billionaires out of existence ,whilst reducing tax on Workers and ONLY workers .

    Establish a LIVING minimum wage ,about $25 an hour ,oh you will think ,that is impossible under the way things are presently set up ,Wonderful things Revolutions!

    Please note the difference ,between Capitalist Welfare Government ,and a Workers Government.

    The Republic you have compared to the one that's coming!

    The Republic we know doesn't work anymore ,compared to the only one that can , a Socialist Republic of America!

    www.wsws.org
     
  8. danielpalos

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    Not at all; I subscribe to a line of reasoning that recognizes that socialism starts with a social contract and that establishes a social government.
     
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    It's imperative you watch the Documentary " Park Avenue " on Netflix
     
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    I will take you up on that.
     
  11. BlackSand

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    If the super wealthy had any brains whatsoever ... They would probably be rich or something.
    The rich are just a bunch of retards ... That couldn't figure out how to do anything if it wasn't for the janitor that empties their wastebasket.

    If the rich don't start listening to the threats coming from the poor ... The super wealthy might just have to move to the Bahamas.
     
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    What's wrong with that. If the American superwealthy moved to the Bahamas then at least the rest of Americans would have a fighting chance at success.
     
  13. danielpalos

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    The wealthiest are welcome to feel thoroughly goaded into insisting their public servants simply purchase the finest solutions money can buy with an official Mint at their disposal.
     
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    The only thing wrong with it ... Is that The Bahamas are only so big.
    If anything the rest of the Americans did ever resulted in someone succeeding ... Then they would want to be moving to the Bahamas to get away from all the other oppressive crap that never helped anyone.
     
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    The became super-wealthy while being "oppressed"?
     
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    Yes ... Forced failure and punishment of success is oppression.
     
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    I guess the wealthiest don't have to take the least wealthy seriously regarding being goaded into insisting their public servants simply purchase the finest solutions money can buy, with an official Mint at their disposal.
     
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    I guess I will give somewhat of a review to this piece written by Chris Hedges, as the title had caught my eye.

    First and foremost, the writing done by Chris Hedges seems to be like a political manifesto, which I am very weary of political manifestos, because they try to capture the emotions of many disgruntled people which can lead more people angry at the system to be prone to do things they wouldn't normally do if the had used their logic. The thing about political manifestos is that they often times manipulate emotions, as exemplified in this post written by Chris Hedges, instead of just making it written with more intellect and just logic. I'm not saying that the problems in this society aren't bad; I am saying that we should just get riled up over reading something like this, especially when often times many of us aren't really doing anything. So let's not make the angry all more worked up (speaking to the writer of this, not you, VanishingPoint, who posted this).

    Another thing is that Chris Hedges should not be at all trusted as a revolutionary, or a visionary within the movement, whether it be anti-war, anti-corruption, whatever. This guy has been talking about the same stuff, and yet all he has done is basically nothing but get people riled up to just do what - protest. Protesting will not work - it never worked. He never gives any real, concrete solution, other than the old Marxist mantra of "workers of the world unite" and "let's start a class war" (the latter paraphrasing that's in this piece, which is why I wanted to review this). Ask Chris Hedges this, VanishingPoint: what are the building blocks to actually perpetrate a "class war"? Is there going to be anything new, or are we just going to put up our picket signs and circle around a block that happens to be at the company/government that we're mad at? We can't use violence, obviously, because the United States, with their many factions of the "military industrial complex", to be broadly named, would have the power to just simply suppress us without mercy if we were to use violence. Even if we were to use nonviolent protest, or "civil disobedience", we'd still be crushed by the police. Have you looked at the recent ones concerning the NSA? Only lasted a day. What about Occupy Wall Street, or the other movements that have only made a minor impact for a short while in modern times, before fading away from our eyes.

    Plus, Chris Hedges has worked in the New York Times - another establishment news media, just like any other mainstream media outlets. And truthdig - affiliated with Democracy Now, which is owned by PACIFICA, owned by Ford Foundation. Every last "liberal" news source out there are connected to each other, and they are gatekeepers. So Chris Hedges, who is a popular activist, and who never seemed to be wrongfully convicted that had any serious consequences, let alone dead, and who is probably rich as he has written as a columnist for many major news sources (NPR, Christian Science Monitor, etc), should not at all speak for the poor.

    I know I kind of got a bit emotional here, which is why I'll just end on this note here. I have nothing personal against you, VanishingPoint, as you are an acquaintance of mine who's trying to find truth out there in this world of deception. Peace...
     
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    Uh, No they don't ... But only because the wealthy don't have to do anything ... Except pay taxes at the whim of people who have never achieved the same level of success and wealth.
     
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    It may depend on what you mean by "success and wealth". According to Jesus the Christ, he may not "hire" any of them based on that criteria. So, there goes any moral of "hard work" for the wealthiest.
     
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    You and your ilk are the ones driving us towards that!! The last time capitalism stood on the precipice as it does now, FDR stepped in and saved American capitalism from itself, and in doing so saved the global capitalist system. The depression had ravaged the globe. Russia had turned to revolutionary socialism, China was in the process of doing so, Germany turned to fascism, and France and Britain were quickly collapsing empires. If not for FDR's intervention, there would have been a lot of pitchforks. FDR should be a hero to all capitalists, because he saved them from the pitchforks and helped stabilize an inherently unstable system. Instead capitalists, as they have always done, are driven by greed to extract every last penny for themselves. We are now back close to that precipice, and some other innovation will need to come, or we will see exactly what Hedges warns of. Government can repress dissent against the system, they do it quite well already (both through violence and propaganda from the corporate media), but how long will that last? Either the elite will accept another grand bargain to save the system, or the pitchforks are inevitable.
     
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    There is no class war, poor people love to think that but it's simply not true.
     
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    Something tells me you're the kinda dork that sits around a starbuck spouting this same nonsense while you wear a Che t-shirt, made by some ten year old kid in a a sweat shop in India. Secondly, you have a serious case of history revisionism. FDR's New Deal was a fllop, and WWII. was the only thing that pulled America out of the grip of it's. economic depression. Next, my original comment was meant to mock those who think they think it's ok to kill their way out of poverty. And, I'm starting to think you're one of those fruitloops who feel that way.
     
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    The right only has a problem with Socialism, if only the least wealthy may benefit. Any questions?
     
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    The Rockefeller's ruined millions of peoples savings by their manipulation of the monetary supply and the economic crashes they caused. Carnegie had no compunction about hiring Pinkerton's to gun down employees who dared protest inhuman working conditions and wages that were sub-subsistence levels, these were just wonderful examples of fair play and the American Way.
     

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