USA planing for WW#3?

So the mass graves of three hundred thousand people found by HRW in 2003 in Iraq were all foreigners?

 

firstly, i wasn't there and did not see those 'graves' which might well be another West media hoax concocted in order to justify USA invasion of Iraq.
secondly, the graves could have been anything, a mere cemetary, for example, this only takes the mass media to concoct a figure of 300 000 (you in the US are usually impressed by large numbers, aren't you?) and here you go - start the typical West hysteria routine: "dictatorship!" "murderous regime!" etc.

 

I mean that those who oppose capitalism do so out of the same repeated phrases. Something along the lines of capitalism is the reason for US and Western intervention in areas of the world they shouldn't be, causing conflicts. I disagree. Capitalists seek profit, and must do business with other capitalists. These nations like Iran, Saudi, and other developing nations ALWAYS have some of their citizens doing business with capitalists, all throughout history. Even in the beginning of capitalism/globalization with the slave trade. There were Africans doing business with the West. How were these Africans able to exploit so many of their fellow Africans and profit from it? Because Africans didn't have a free society and capitalist economy that would prevent the West and their fellow Africans from exploiting. The majority of people didn't have a voice to express their disapproval with the slave trade deal. And the reason they didn't have a voice is directly related to their government structures. A few spoke for them. And a part of those few were able to exploit them. Just as is happening in modern times. Those nations that do not have govt structures that allow all citizens to have a voice in affairs are by definition controlled by a few. If those few see an opportunity to profit at the people's expense, many times they will do so.

Is the problem with capitalism, or is it with these inefficient govt structures that don't give all citizens a voice (a voice that would prevent them from being screwed)?

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2977186

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/13/1097607259902.html

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/iraq1104/4.htm

 

the problem with Capitalism is not Capitalism itself, but that at some point it has mutated into something else, some thing Orwellian by its nature.

there's absolutely no point in giving people a voice, because people are easily swayed and manipulated.
and the entire history of advertising & public relations in the West just proves this point.

 

huh 'According to The New York Times' eh?.. then why not according to my mom?

 

NYT is a pretty reliable source as are the other dozen or so references. From what your mom and I discussed after our last liaison, she also agreed so you could ask her but as for myself, a gentleman never tells.

 

'reliable' in terms of USA militarists can rely on it when need media support ?

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'reliable' in terms of USA militarists can rely on it when need media support ?

 

People have always been easy to sway. Popes did it quite well for centuries. Leaders have always found ways to bend the will of the people toward their ambitions. Well before advertising and capitalism. And certain, smart, charismatic people will always try and find ways to sway people, no matter the system. But I believe that an open, democratic, capitalist system makes it more difficult. Free speech is the key.

 

And the other references? Please retort that HRW is right wing militaristic.

 

Why is su much for `peaseful` state. This military can be only in aggresive state

[video=youtube;AblN-gRz804]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AblN-gRz804&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

This military can be only in a state nobody wants to mess with.

 

Excuse me, but I read the strangest things on these forums about Popes. Where in the world did you ever get the idea that Popes swayed people? Yes they had spiritual authority over their flock, and were respected because of their position as bishop of Rome...but swayed?

 

Yes... It would be better if USA evaporate itself from the earth. No one lose anything...

 

US military is needed only for this

[video=youtube;M2sN5r-lrnE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2sN5r-lrnE&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

"...It would be better if USA evaporate itself from the earth. No one lose anything... "

Taxcutter says:
Don't hold your breath, sport.

 

kill anything that moves!
[video=youtube;qKLpwTAM2wg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=qKLpwTAM2wg[/video]

 

Ever heard of the crusades? How do you think all those Christian warriors of those ancient times got to the Middle East? Did this large group of people really have an interest in waging bloody wars to occupy territory in the Middle East? What economic interest drove the Crusades with such ferocity? No, those people were swayed. By who? Well, it certainly appears to be Popes, among others.

 

Because it's the New Atlantis. They are the world leader in being the Arsenal of Democracy. I mean, we are an example, aren't we? I believe our dropping bombs on innocent civilians and exploiting their land for natural resources can attest to that. Right?

Work is Free
Ignorance is Strength
Questioning is evil. It is demonic, and must be destroyed.

Obey.

 

Isn't dropping bombs on civilians the method of waging war in modern times? Who has waged war since the 20th century without doing this? So basically you are saying the US engages in war, so that means what? You want the US to be the first nation in history to forgo the human activity of war, or do you want it to suck at it?

There is no exploitation occurring between 2 democratic, capitalist countries. If anyone is exploiting anyone, it is the minority of folks in control of the governments which aren't democratic, who are using capitalism to get rich at the expense of their countrymen.

 

Not to insult you, but I think you should know that I am implying sarcasm here.

I do not support US in any way. Maybe I shouldn't have used sarcasm and I do apologize for that.

 

Sorry, I see a million of these "the USA is evil because it bombs people" responses. Well bombing people, unfortunately is where we are at with the human behavior of war. Saying stop bombing is like a 14th century person telling the Mongols that their use of horses in warfare was animal cruelty, and they should stop using horses in warfare. It is a meaningless argument, because it completely disregards the entire human behavior known as war, with its own theories, which conclude that it would be impossible for the Mongols to stop using horses in warfare, even if their leaders reached the consensus that it was animal cruelty, and immoral.

 

Allow me to elaborate.

I know about US foreign policy, and the lies and deception the US government uses to get their citizenry on board with global imperialism. Yes, I see your logic, and I do agree with that. However, I see that you are misunderstanding my views, but it is also my fault for giving such a very clumsy introduction here.

 

Actually....that's what we used to say about the Soviet Union and guess what....we are still here and the Soviet Union evaporated itself from the face of the Earth.

You are not representative of the opinions of the vast majority of Russian's who regard the United States as a place they would either like to visit or immigrate to.

Now here are the numbers from the census in 2000 specific to Russian's in America.

After I post this I will post the numbers of Russian's in America in 2007.

Russian American Demographics
(Census 2000)
Russian American Population
Russian American population is estimated at approximately 2.9 million people.

Second largest ethnic market representing 10.3% (2.9 Million people) of the total foreign-born population of 28.4 million. The leading ethnic group is Mexicans that represent 28% or 7.8 million of all US foreign-born population.

Russian speaking population in USA and Canada is estimated to be about 6 million.

Leading States
New York, California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts.

Leading Cities
New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit.

Percentage Distribution
NY Tri-State Area – 24%
California – 16%
Illinois – 16%
Pennsylvania – 10%
Massachusetts – 8%
Florida – 7%
DC and Maryland – 3%

New York Population
New York leads the nation in the number of Russian Americans.

About 1.6 Million reside in New York Tri-State area.

About 600,000 reside in the City of New York representing 8% of the population.

Numbers exceed those of other leading ethnic groups like Chinese (760,000) and Dominican (620,000).

California Population
There are an estimated 600,000 Russian-speaking people in Southern California.

Major resident areas are: Hidden Hills, Calabasas, Los Angeles, Westlake Village, Agoura Hills and Simi Valley, in declining order of affluence.

Median household incomes range from $80,000 for Simi Valley to $200,000 for Hidden Hills.

Bachelor Degree holders range from 40% for Simi Valley to 75% for Calabasas.

Language
There are an estimated 5.5 million Russian-speaking people in the Unites States.

Most Russian- speakers are bilingual but generally prefer to speak their native language at home, and turn to Russian-language media for the latest news and information.

Household
64% are married with an average of 1.6 children per family.

Higher home ownerships rates (57% vs. 41%) and smaller family size (1.60 vs. 2.44) compared to overall US foreign-born population – translated to more wealth per household.

Incomes
Median Annual Household Income of $50,500.

For New York, the median income of Russian-Americans was 47,000 compared to $38,866 for the general population, $42,199 for the Chinese and $19,800 for the Dominican community.

27.4% have an income of $50,000 or more. 23.2% have an income of $25,000 or less.

Education
53% hold a bachelor’s degree or higher.

80.3% have completed a HS Diploma compared to 67% for the foreign born population.

Inclination towards higher education, high-paying employment and general readership.

Russian's in America 2007.

The Russian American population is reported to be 3.13 million.[5]
Many Russian Americans do not speak Russian, having been born in the USA and brought up in English-speaking homes. In 2007, however, Russian was the primary spoken language of 851,174 Americans at home, according to the U.S. Census.

Russian's in America and Russian Americans are currently estimated at a population of 4.2 Million and this is growing every year at an increasing rate.

The reason for such a accelerated rate of Russian Immigration to the United States is due to three factors.
#1....Economic....as many Russian's immigrate to the U.S. for a better job with more pay and benefits.
#2....Political......as Vladimir Putin...once head of the KGB...has consolidated power and changes the Russian .......Constitution to actually allow him to continue being the Man in control of Russia. Vladimir Putin, prime minister in 1999-2000, president to 2008 and since then prime minister...intends to come back next year as Russia's president? If so, the constitution (changed while he was away from the Kremlin) would allow him two consecutive six-year terms, keeping him in power until 2024, by when he will be 71.
#3....Family....as more and more....MILLIONS of Russian families exist and grow in number these family ties to other Russian's living in Russia will cause a certain number of those family members to visit the United States and Immigrate to the United States. As a close Russian Friend of mine had told me..."I came to visit my Mother's sister...my Aunt....who immigrated to the United States in 1999 and who married a Man who was a 4th Generation Russian American....and they now have 3 kids two girls and a boy. It was my first trip outside Asia and Europe and when I landed in New York and my Aunt and her Husband went all out and had me picked up by Limousine and the three of us drank Champagne and ate HUGE Shrimp Cocktail's right in the Limo as we headed towards Western Massachusetts where my Aunt and her family lived and when we got there I saw this large house with a 2 car garage and beautiful landscaping with acres of surrounding woods behind it....I KNEW RIGHT THEN I WANTED TO BECOME A RUSSIAN AMERICAN".

My friend now is married and has a son of his own. He married a Half Russian American...Half Irish American Woman so this little boy will definitely be using a LOT of sun screen when he goes to the beach!! LOL!!!

Anatol....you have got it all wrong. American's have no desire to destroy Russia as MILLIONS of American's ARE RUSSIAN'S!!!!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Oh I understood your sarcasm after my first reply, which is why my 2nd began with an apology.