Free Crack Pipes! Get your Free Crack Pipes in San Francisco!

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  1. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Forgive me if this sounds stupid, I'm not a crack smoker so I don't know......but just what disease is anyone going to be spreading while smoking a pipe full of crack???

    The same "cold" or "flu" that they'll spread simply by coughing near a passerby?
     
  2. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    I suppose its possible, if they have "other" uses for a crack pipe.
     
  3. BitterPill

    BitterPill New Member Past Donor

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    But you said if you got a free crack pipe, you'd send it to Obama for Christmas. I mean, it would be pretty stupid sending a Christmas gift to someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas, and you certainly aren't stupid, are you?
     
  4. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL....I think they are looking at the wrong pipes....

    it's not the ones made of glass, it's the ones made of skin.
     
  5. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Well, I guess that was my mistake, I thought you said obama does celebrate christmas.

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    oh, that makes more sense, but Ive never heard it described as such, only as a chute, not a pipe.
     
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    BitterPill New Member Past Donor

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    He sure acts like he does, and you obviously concur.
     
  7. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Well, Ewan McGregor acts like hes Obi-wan Kanobi, but hes not really Obi-wan Kanobi.....
     
  8. BitterPill

    BitterPill New Member Past Donor

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    True.

    You also act like you celebrate Christmas by offering to send Obama a crack pipe if Pelosi gives you one.

    Frankly, your act seems a bit hollow.
     
  9. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Decriminalizing cocaine would reduce the demand for crack, since a lower value for coke would discourage the use of a lesser product like crack. It would also reduce the distribution of crack.
     
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    BitterPill New Member Past Donor

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    It would certainly reduce the overwhelming need for prisons.
     
  11. fiddlerdave

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    Its far more bodily fluid contact than is spread by "coughing".

    The crack smoke and pipe get very hot, and besides the usual sores addicts can have from ill health leaving their residue, immediate burns and damage from cracked skin leaves blood and saliva remains on the pipe stem, which can easily enter the similar wounds on the lips and tongue of the next user.

    Then, users spread their diseases to sex partners, family members and children, or people they are in contact with via silverware, towels or any public or workplace connection.

    Given heavy use of cocaine and inadequate sleep, food etc. suppressing immune systems, its a ripe field for micro-organism growth and spread.
     
  12. BestViewedWithCable

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    The cost of a pack of cigarettes is about a dollar, the other $5.50 is taxes, and then you gotta pay sales tax on the tax.

    Legalizing crack will not make the 5 dollar crack rock cost less, it will make it cost more.

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    No, not really.

    Most crack addicts arent arrested for buying crack, most of them are arrested for stealing other peoples possessions to pay for more crack.
     
  13. BestViewedWithCable

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    Hollow like a crack pipe, or hollow like obamas promises?
     
  14. BitterPill

    BitterPill New Member Past Donor

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    Are you sure about that? I think that will be difficult to prove, yet I eagerly await your attempt.

    Hollow as in lacking substance.
     
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    You cite a concentration of drug users. Nothing indicates that the Zurich Platzpitz Park program actually increased drug use.

    http://www.rwjf.org/reports/grr/020049.htm


    Key Findings

    • The investigators estimated that the needle exchange program reduced the risk of HIV transmission among program participants by one third.
    • There was no evidence of an increase in drug use through injection as a result of this needle exchange.
    • Based on estimates of population, rates of needle exchange, program costs, and predictions of future HIV infections, the researchers concluded that the program was cost-effective.
    • Decriminalization of the purchase and possession of a syringe without a prescription resulted in a reduced demand for the needle exchange program.


    The efficacy of needle exchange programs in the prevention of HIV and hepatitis infection among injecting drug users



    RESULTS:
    After reviewing the scientific literature the authors conclude that needle and syringe exchange programs are an effective way of reducing risky behaviors related to injecting drug use, hence they are effective in reducing the spread of HIV among injecting drug users and the population. The authors introduce the literature related to the effectiveness of various kinds of programs for distributing sterile injecting equipment.

    CONCLUSION:
    Besides various kinds of prevention programs and harm reduction measures, when adopted to the given populations needs and socio-cultural circumstances, the providing of needle and syringe programs are an indispensable condition of successfully preventing the spread of HIV.

    Drug abuse treatment success among needle exchange participants.




    RESULTS: Patients from the NEP were significantly older and more likely to be male, African American, and unemployed than standard referral patients. Needle exchange patients also had a greater baseline severity of drug use than patients in the standard referral group. Despite these baseline differences, both groups achieved comparably good short-term treatment outcomes (including reduced drug use and criminal activity for profit); treatment retention was also good, although slightly better in the standard referral group (88% vs. 76%). CONCLUSION: These data demonstrate the feasibility and merits of creating strong linkages between NEPs and more comprehensive drug abuse treatment clinics.
     
  16. Serfin' USA

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    I said decriminalization, not legalization. This means police put a lower priority on coke and crack possession, and rehab is the primary focus rather than imprisonment.

    Rehab helps people kick addictions.
     
  17. BestViewedWithCable

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    but that will just lead to more people getting robbed to fund an addicts addiction.
     
  18. Serfin' USA

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    Um, not really.

    If an addict is sent to rehab instead of prison, that increases the odds that he/she will kick his/her addiction.

    In more extreme cases, rehab involves holding a person for a few weeks to force him/her out of an addiction. If someone is addicted to the point that he/she becomes a threat to society because of his/her desperation to get his/her next fix, then the rehab will resolve the addiction for an extended time.
     
  19. BestViewedWithCable

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    "Things Crack Heads Say"


    Suspect says 'out of control' addiction to crack cocaine led to robberies

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    In a statement admitting to all three robberies in Batavia and Oakfield over the past week, suspect Mark J. Maltese said the $550 he said he got in the three heists all went to buy crack cocaine, which he said he smoked as soon as he bought it.

    Maltese signed a sworn statement in which he he acknowledges his right to remain silent and consult an attorney before talking with police.

    "I have been struggling with a major addiction to crack cocaine for about the past six or eight months," Maltese said. "This addiction has consumed me and the majority of my money goes to buy crack to feed by addiction. My crack use got way out of control and I didn't know how to stop or slow down with smoking it. I became desperate for money so that I could get more crack cocaine, so I turned to robbing places to get the money I needed for crack. Every bit of the proceeds from the three robberies went to buy crack for me to smoke. I was out of control with my addiction and didn't know where to turn."

    Maltese was arrested early this morning after Batavia police, with back-up from Sheriff's deputies and state troopers, responded to a report of a break-in at the Rent-a-Center at 4152 W. Main St., Batavia.

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    They do all that rehab stuff in prison.
     
  20. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    But the conventional method is the reason why we have such a high incarceration rate. Mandatory sentencing in combination with private prisons is a very expensive setup.

    The War on Drugs costs society far more than it helps.
     
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    I completely disagree especially when we're talking about crack cocaine.

    Do you believe that armed robbery, burglary, and theft should still be illegal?

    What if youre just robbed cause someone needed a fix for their crack addiction, is it ok for them to steal your stuff?
     
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    [video=youtube;dcmL2eHEpVw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcmL2eHEpVw[/video]

    [video=youtube;ZuosrHOgvBI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuosrHOgvBI[/video]
     
  23. texmaster

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    And your evidence?

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    And your evidence?
     
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    LOL Are you serious? READ the link.

    "But the city became a haven for foreign addicts"

    Foreign. ie not of the city. You do realize if new people come to the city to do drugs that means drug usage has gone up in that city right? :roflol:

    There is no dodging. You don't read very carefully. Foreign addicts are new to the city not just needle usage.

    Do I really need to break out the dictionary on the word Foreign for you?

    You are the one jumping up and down claiming drug use didn't go up with free needles despite evidence that San Franciso is one of the top drug using cities in the US and they have been giving out free needles for 15 years.

    What, did you think they would go higher than one of the top drug using cities without the free needles? LOL

    It couldn't be more obvious. The one who actually supported their views with documented facts and links.

    You have nothing but your opinion. Checkmate.
     
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    So I'm confused.. If you get busted with a government provided crack pipe, does it make it not illegal paraphernalia? That would make for an interesting legal argument.

    As for providing crack pipes, it's widely different than needles as the amount of communicable diseases are remote compared to sharing needles.

    I'm just picturing someone going for needles and seeing some crack pipes and saying "Let me get 4 needles, 2 crack pipes and pack of skittles."
     

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