Obama the Tyrant: Marijuana is no worse than Alcohol

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  1. pocket aces

    pocket aces Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Colorado and Washington are the guinea pigs in all of this. If in 2-5 years life doesn't fall apart for them like anti-pot people say is inevitable, then we will see more states popping up through the country.

    If Obama really wanted to make a statement he would remove it from the schedule 1 list.
     
  2. Joker

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    Joints are typically shared, though. One usually doesn't roll up a joint just for one person. And of course, one has to consider the size of the joint.

    Perhaps if 60% of people were smoking whole joints by themselves and then go driving immediately. I see no reason, however, to assume that is how people would behave if marijuana were legal.

    I'll take demotivation, tiredness, and apathy over the side effects of alcohol any day, and coughing/lung issues can be easily controlled by blending the marijuana into food or inhaling it with a vaporizer.

    Not everybody has the same reaction to marijuana as you.
     
  3. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There was a real problem with Obama stating that marijuana is no less harmful than alcohol because alcohol is far more harmful based upon the facts.

    There are no recorded deaths based upon marijuana use because marijuana cannot reach a toxic level in the human body. The body will only absorb so much THC and then it won't accept any more. In short a person can only become "so high" on marijuana and then no matter how much they consume by any means they can get no higher as the body simply rejects it.

    No one has ever died from a marijuana overdose but that cannot be said of alcohol.

    Studies have shown that driving under the influence of marijuana does not statistically lead to more accidents. Unlike alcohol that dulls the reasoning capabilities of the person someone that is high on marijuana is very much aware of the effects of driving under the influence. Studies show that they tend to slow down and pay more attention to their driving which negates the effects of driving under the influence.

    Unlike alcohol where many people continue to consume more and more alcohol the typical marijuana user is looking for a certian "high" and will stop consuming when that point is reached. We can talk about the stronger potency of marijuana today but that has merely established that a person has to use less marijuana than they did 30 years ago.

    Unlike alcohol marijuana doesn't "dull the sense" and, in many respects, enhances them.

    While the effects of alcohol are relatively long term requiring the body to metabolize the alcohol the effects of marijuana are relatively short lived before they taper off dramatically. A person that smokes a bowl of marijuana will feel the most intense effects for only a matter of a few minutes and that quickly disappears resulting a very reduced level of "high" that might last for 15-30 minutes and then slowly disappears completely after that over about an hour. Someone having a shot of tequila may not feel the full effect for up to 30 minutes, often drink more waiting for the effects, and then be seriously intoxicated from it for two hours or more while their body has to metabolize the alcohol.

    Marijuana is far less harmful than alcohol based upon virtually every criteria we can think of so the President was actually incorrect in understating the difference between the two.
     
  4. amartin7889

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    Why would you even want pot? Just get a psychiatrist to write you prescription for Xanax. Way better than marijuana.
     
  5. amartin7889

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    Also, why are people worried about marijuana as the gateway drug? What about giving 8 year olds adderall on a LEGAL prescription? What about SSRI's? Anti-anxiety medication?

    I guess when Big Pharma supports it, it's OK to conservatives.
     
  6. Pregnar Kraps

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    If the NYT published a report saying the hottest new craze among 20-somethings was eating dog doo, the next time Obama needed to spike his poll numbers he would give an interview (with Bo by his side) insinuating he himself was a closet poo muncher.
     
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    Different intoxicants have different qualities and a different kind of high.

    Some people prefer a Pot high.

    And even if you stick with pot there are any numbers of different types of pot highs.

    Any of which might be preferable to someone who, in addition to maybe not liking that kind of high, may also want to stay away from an illegal phamaceutical.

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  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    What is it that drives tens of millions of people to use street drugs to cope with living in modern America?

    School kids snort powdered Smarties candy like it's cocaine. They get nose infections from it and flies lay maggots in their noses. The candy doesn't induce any kind of high.
     
  9. amartin7889

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    Fixed that for you.
     
  10. Pregnar Kraps

    Pregnar Kraps New Member Past Donor

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    If one has an affliction requiring that medicine and it is prescribed for that person by a licensed physician, then yes, it is legal.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  11. inxile

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    You guy's do realize that Reefer Madness wasn't in anyway a true depiction of how people are on pot right?

    Seriously... I'm conservative on most topics, and a registered independent, but when you Republicans start spouting off at the mouth about Christian morality, and all that hypocritical bs about "instilling" your values into others, it makes me want to vote D all the way down the line.

    I've met people who have been on heavy prescription drugs all their lives and have had 1 hit of a joint and all their depression went away and they finally had a solution to a life filled with pain. Not only that but there are literally hundreds of other medical applications and benefits to the plant. Compare that to Alcohol, which literally has no benefits health wise, Tobacco which makes this whole argument such a joke, and Prescription drugs that just provide a bandaid to the underlying issues.

    There are currently about 20,000 studies that have been conducted on the benefits of MJ within the past 5 years... It is literally the most researched alternative medicine in history and yet we still have people who will just go against Obama, which who by the way decided not to reclassify the drug..

    He's Anti-Marijuana, so doesn't that mean you Republicans should be pro-MJ?
     
  12. Serfin' USA

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    Legalizing pot is more likely to occur if we can get large corporations behind it.

    Until then, it will probably just happen state-by-state.

    Granted, that's how the repeal of Prohibition went as well (in terms of state legislatures ratifying the Amendment for it).
     
  13. LogicallyYours

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    Blah...blah....blah...

    Alcohol used to be federally prohibited...and now its not. The world continues to turn.

    You might want to look up how many executive order were implemented by former presidents before you (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan.
     
  14. Iriemon

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    Yeah, Obama was way off base there. Alcohol is much worse than marijuana.
     
  15. Professor Peabody

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    Does anyone who smokes pot plan on disclosing that on the company sponsored insurance plan health screening?
     
  16. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Endorsing illegal drug use is not the job of the chief law enforcement officer in the country, aka the President.

    Obama should leave such endorsements to idiots in Hollywood, or some drug king pin, breaking bad....
     
  17. amartin7889

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    Just remember you said this when marijuana is considered medication for anxiety. Actually, I think it is a medication in some states.
     
  18. REPUBLICRAT

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    Do people actually still think weed is more dangerous than alcohol? lol

    1. You can overdose on alcohol and die! Cannot overdose on weed.
    2. Alcohol will destroy your liver. Weed will make you destroy cheetos.
    3. Alcohol makes many people violent. Weed makes you relax.
    4. Alcohol is extremely addictive. So much so, that serious alcoholics have to get inpatient treatment because they could actually die from lack of alcohol. Weed is not physically addictive at all.
     
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    Weed is also considered a schedule 1 narcotic by law enforcement. Hilarious! According to the law, weed is more dangerous than cocaine. That's right, a drug that is not physically addictive and is non-lethal is more dangerous than cocaine and crack. That makes sense. lol
     
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    Not to mention the drug cartels that kill and torture people over weed money. Which wouldn't the case if it weren't illegal. Then we have the billions of dollars our government wastes on fighting this "dangerous" drug to no avail.
     
  21. Shiva_TD

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    What! A "conservative" advocating government regulation??? LOL

    If the potency is lower then the user will use more and if it's higher the user will use less. Remember that marijuana is fundamentally "self-regulating" because the human body will only accept a limited amount of THC (the active ingredient) and then rejects the rest. That's why marijuana has no toxicity level because the body won't absorb enough for marijuana to become toxic.

    Many marijuana users actually prefer lower potency marijuana over todays high potency pot. The "old timers" enjoyed smoking and sharing a "joint" as opposed to doing small bongs that use a higher grade pot. Today's pot is so strong that rolling a joint is a waste of money.
     
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    actually it's better for you then alcohol imo, drunks are much worse imo
     
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    actually he said that "The president said pot was actually less dangerous than alcohol"
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    To some telling the American People the truth equates to "spitting in the face" of the American People.

    Even the Deputy Drug-Czar agrees that marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol.

    http://news.yahoo.com/drug-czar-pot-marijuana-alcohol-dangerous-150529056.html

    Of course Botticelli should have known that it is impossible to "overdose" on marijuana (unlike alcohol) because the body rejects excess THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) before it reaches a potentially toxic level in the body. It can also be noted that marijuana doesn't impair the logical functions of the brain (alcohol does) and studies have shown no increase in fatal automobile accidents due to marijuana intoxication because those "high" on marijuana tend to slow down and pay more attentiong to their driving (the opposite of what alcohol intoxication typically causes). Marijuana intoxication is no where near the impairment level of alcohol intoxication.

    With roughly 56% of Americans now supporting legalization of marijuana we can't even claim that our government is enforcing the will of the people anymore by the prohibitions against it.

    When it comes to President Obama the last thing Republicans want is the TRUTH.
     
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    That's how the American people wanted it? That is just hilarious......as if you have any idea what the American people want.
     

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