Rand Paul sues Obama over NSA call surveillance

Would you expect Rand to sue Bush before he was even in office? And this isn't about blame, this is about protecting people's privacy.

 

Shouldn't Paul be suing the people who started this if he's going to sue someone over it? Even if he sues folks in the current administration for allowing it to continue, how can Paul not sue those who brought about this stuff and keep credibility on the issue? Not that suing anyone is going to be effective anyway.

 

I didn't realize you have to be a senator to sue.

 

You sue the person/administration currently in power. He ought to add congress to the list while he's at it.

 

Who do you think has an even slight chance of success? Some Kentucky doctor with an opinion or a senator? No you don't HAVE to be a senator to sue, but you would be much more likely to get anywhere. I could sue Obama right now, how far do you think the lawsuit would get?

 

He's still practicing medicine actually. He does free eye surgery for his constituents, that is, when he's not giving over a million dollars back to the treasury. He's a multi-tasker.

 

So you think Senator Paul intends to lose the lawsuit? I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but that seems pretty far fetched.

 

Granted, logic is absent but not "evidence", it's just that it's misleading and reprehensibly inaccurate evidence.

It has always been a source of amusement, the terribly thinned skin responses of the Amerikan left, going ape (*)(*)(*)(*) over Sarah Palin's birthday like she has ever had ANY influence over spending or policy.

It confused me years ago, when the fresh, young community organizer was seeking a senate seat, how even a reference to his ongoing inaccuracies drew the curse of "racism". Then it began to gel, this is desperation, tactics usually of candidates on their way out, or frustrated at years of trying unsuccessfully where they are never to blame, it is always the dirty tricks of the opponent, the media, the voters themselves.

It is desperation. Back before Obama's so called successes were revealed to be insipient and still born, it was the norm, and ubiquitous in this and every forum.

It is in decline, but the desperation is now palpable and reflects as it always had an inner knowledge that the house of card that is the Obama presidency was built on bull(*)(*)(*)(*). There isn't even any evidence Obama attended or completed college, his records have been sealed; we know only what he wants us to know about him, and his lemming-like followers frank the cool aid and asked for more while throwing asinine temper tantrums at the mention of such niceties as "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, and nobody can take it away." Which in Obamaland meant Insurance companies were "nobodies" and they did.

Today we have such tactics as denying yesterday's truth and decreeing that even "if you like your plan..." is old news and in some forums seek to relegate any reference to that 40 times lie in a special forum dealing with "health care"....as if it is not in anyway political.

And, this is new, we witness a thread on Joe Biden's remarks about Obama and the 2014 midterms hijacked by one Obama-troll who stated there were no polls showing slippage in Obama's approval rating.

Granted, logic is absent but not "evidence", it's just that it's misleading and reprehensibly inaccurate evidence.

It has always been a source of amusement, the terribly thinned skin responses of the Amerikan left, going ape (*)(*)(*)(*) over Sarah Palin's birthday like she has ever had ANY influence over spending or policy.

It confused me years ago, when the fresh, young community organizer was seeking a senate seat, how even a reference to his ongoing inaccuracies drew the curse of "racism". Then it began to gel, this is desperation, tactics usually of candidates on their way out, or frustrated at years of trying unsuccessfully where they are never to blame, it is always the dirty tricks of the opponent, the media, the voters themselves.

It is desperation. Back before Obama's so called successes were revealed to be insipient and still born, it was the norm, and ubiquitous in this and every forum.

It is in decline, but the desperation is now palpable and reflects as it always had an inner knowledge that the house of card that is the Obama presidency was built on bull(*)(*)(*)(*). There isn't even any evidence Obama attended or completed college, his records have been sealed; we know only what he wants us to know about him, and his lemming-like followers frank the cool aid and asked for more while throwing asinine temper tantrums at the mention of such niceties as "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, and nobody can take it away." Which in Obamaland meant Insurance companies were "nobodies" and they did.

Today we have such tactics as denying yesterday's truth and decreeing that even "if you like your plan..." is old news and in some forums seek to relegate any reference to that 40 times lie in a special forum dealing with "health care"....as if it is not in anyway political.

And, this is new, we witness a thread on Joe Biden's remarks about Obama and the 2014 midterms hijacked by one Obama-troll who stated there were no polls showing slippage in Obama's approval rating.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...on-spite-who-s-president#sthash.vP2G8wNu.dpuf Buses any one?

They seem to thing adding sand and water will somehow reinforce the house of cards

 

This won't get the little putz elected.

 

He will not lose butif this was a major concern of his why didnt he do something about it years ago when it started? I am against NSA spying like most people when it started not like the right after the fact. This is nothing more than a political stunt to stir up the base. It will be thrown out of court and the tax payers yet again are stuck with the bill. Now had he used his own money doing this I would have no problem with it, however he didnt. There lies the problem. He had no problem when Bush started the program. However , now that he thinks he may get elected for President now is the time. There are two people in the Senate on has wasted 20 billion on a failed attempt at a shut down now we have another that will waste a couple million in attempt to get elected to an office that he will never get that is fact. Just more political stunts from a irrelevant rigthtwing nut job.

 

wow, something I can agree on with the man, though this actually started under Bush, not Obama, with the warentless wiretaps and the giving a free pass to the telco's for their assistance

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I already explained that he couldn't sue when Bush was president because snowden hadn't leaked the nsa documents which proved these programs actually existed and to what extent they were actually in effect.

 

They want him to have the powers of Professor Xavier. The bar is a lot higher for Rand, obviously, than for Obama or Bush.

Gee, I wonder why? Could it bet they are worried he'll reduce the size of government if given the chance?

 

For those who are interested in doing more than pointing fingers, check it out:

JOIN OUR CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST THE NSA
https://www.defendthe4th.com/

 

End of Week One (February 21st, 2014).....no trial or hearing yet.

End of Week Two....???

End of Week Three.....???

End of Week Four....???

Can you give us SOME idea when Rand's lawsuit will go to court? Ballpark?

 

Is Rand Paul reading this thread? If so, one of our progs has a question for you...

 

I'm an attorney who started in criminal defense and am trying to work towards constitutional law. I can tell you that these types of cases can have literally 300+ hours or more from an attorney alone, not including paralegals, and for something with this type of far reaching consequences it could be years.

 

If this was such a big deal to Rand he could have sued Bush before he could have gotten into office so could his father Mr. Constitution.

 

Then it sounds more like a political strategy than actually doing anything. This will be one of his talking points in 2016.

 

I'll try to make this simple for you, how did we find out about this?

Exactly. Now unless you wish to make the case that Rand Paul has psychic powers and knew what was going on behind the doors of the super secret surveillance facility then you ought to rethink that bit of unlogic.

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Doubtful. He tried to walk through a 4th amendment protection act in the Senate and the cowards there refused to stand with him. This is our last best hope at the moment.

Two paths are better than one when one is (*)(*)(*)(*) blocked by statist pieces of (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I don't care if it's unconstitutional, I like it. It keeps rightwing 'patriot' nutjobs from blowing up day care centers. Would it make you happy if we amended to Constitution?

 

He, or anyone, could've contacted the journalist for their evidence in the original release of the article. Snowden only revealed the extent of the surveillance and specific methods. We already knew it was going on. The violations were already out in the open, this is why people are thinking it's a political strategy. He's going to run on that constitutionalist platform which sounds really good in the privacy and gun-happy American realms equally because he knows that most Americans are tired of industry deregulations and shrinking of government which is leading to increasing the size of corporate influence. You starve the masses of cheap government programs and install the privatized programs which rape and pillage. Look at our prison system as an example of 'smaller government'.

I still don't trust this guy. Even his stance on drones is flippant. He doesn't want us bombing people without trial overseas but then comes back and says he's okay with a drone taking out a guy who's suspected of robbing a store on US soil...but then he's against the drones spying on him in his hot tub. I.E. he seems to keep saying things that are more about his self interest and sometimes it just so happens it lines up with the interests of citizens.

 

This can't be true obama said that aren't doing that.

 

No, they couldn't. The ACLU had already initiated a similar lawsuit in 2006, but it was dismissed because the plaintiff's couldn't actually prove they were being wire-tapped by the NSA. It was only after Snowden leaked the official documentation proving the existence of the NSA's mass surveillance program that such a lawsuit became legally viable. You're also ignoring the fact that senator Paul has been part of a bipartisan effort in the senate to end the NSA's bulk collection of data since 2013.

 

The political strategy is to end the NSA's domestic spying program because it runs afoul of the constitution. Only partisan opponents of Senator Paul think he has an ulterior motive.