Which country is the next candidate for Putin´s anschluss´s plans?

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by litwin, Mar 7, 2014.

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  1. Kazakhstan

    20.8%
  2. Georgia

    25.0%
  3. Latvia

    4.2%
  4. Estonia

    4.2%
  5. an other one

    45.8%
  1. Mayor Snorkum

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    1. ENGLISH IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THIS WEBSITE

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    What do you know about the KGB's funding of Green Peace in the 80's and 90's?

    Senator Drunken Teddy Kennedy, in 1984, personally requested illegal Soviety assistance to defeat Reagan in the 1984 election. Any assistance, if recieved, failed, and Reagan won by the second landslide in a row.

    Not enough, since one side was winning. A really effective arms intervention plan leads to the KilKenny Cat Solution to civil war.

    Oh.

    Snicker, arms are a kind of organ....read a little too fast.

    If it lead to more dead people in a hole that served no interests for the US, what would the Mayor care? Generally speaking, it's pretty hard to get worked up by what doesn't really happen, anyway. In civilized countries, organ donors are traceable, and organ transplants don't happen anonymously.

    Who cares what happens to uncivilized places like Kosovo and Russia?
     
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    Given the refusal of King Obama to help the US citizens rendered unemployed by the invading hordes of illegal alien criminals from Mexico, it's safe to say "No, the US will no longer help it's citizens when assaulted by criminals, not even in the US."


    There is no place in the world where American are in the majority, not even in the. The election in 2012 showed that Americans were in the minority, and some 65,000,000 total idiots, who clearly aren't Americans, put President Gumby back into the White House to be flexible for Pokey Putitin.

    All of which is beside the point, since Russians are a minority in the Crimean peninsula. The vast majority of UKRAINIANS in the Crimean peninsula may be of Russian descent, but they are no more Russian than any "italian" in New York's Little Italy is Italian.

    Go study what happened to the bone in Germany's throat, and what Hitler did about it.

    People who know history aren't confused by your gimmicks.
     
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    not much , was it connected to Albanian heroin mafia?
    good point ,
    are you sure? Snicker, arms are a kind of organ
     
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    As has been attributed to Burke, all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men (or even dickless traitorous wimps like Obama) to do nothing.

    Yes, Burke included that comment about Obama in his 18th century musings. True fact, as true as Obama being a US citizen.

    Oh, resurgent Soviet imperialism is no less evil, and no less dangerous than the modes of terrorism practiced by those that share Obama's religious preference and hatred for the US.

    That may actually be valid. Naturally, as everyone knows, the Rapist President waged war in Serbia solely to dominate the US news cycle for a period of time. Serbia was a Rapist's Squirrel, is all.

    So in what way has Ukraine committed ethnic cleansing in it's Crimean Peninsula? To support your argument, tell us percentage of the population has been murdered, abused, raped, displaced, and discriminated against by the non-traitor Ukrainians, and compare those numbers to similar doings in Kosovo.
     
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    Blah-blah-blah.... Russia hasn't got any money from Ossetiya. We just invested. And of course some ossetian kids stayed alive. Their lives are worth nothing for americans and georgians, but it is worth much more for russians.

    There has never been any Holodomor. We had a hunger in the USSR when west demanded grain in exchange for machinery that we need for the growth of industry. Kazakh people and russian people were also dying of hunger those days. But hopefully western kids ate some soviet grain to make the kids who would accuse russians of starving to death.


    Of course not. If I was studying in the US school how could I learn about history and geography?

    As long as it is said for the second time you think it started to look more relibale? :) That only works with americans when a lie repeated several times start to look as a true thing...

    Vietnam, Afghanistan, Serbia, Iraq, Libya, almost Syria...

    Liar
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Republic_of_Crimea#Demographics

    Liar.


    That 'fact' used to be broadcasted from every coffee-machine. But the realty is that USSR lost more thana half of all the victims of WW2 and it was Stalin and soviet soldiers who brought an end to facsism in Europe... But Mayor prefers to point at one of the mistakes which was not the first and the last that was about facsism from a european country. Mayor hasn't heard of Munich treaty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_treaty
    You haven't heard that Poland took Zaolzye from a Chech republic and had a military parader with nazists before Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. But what else could you expect from a mayor? Only another piece of a well-known propaganda.

    Is this wonderful allusion making a lie about russian invasion any true like?

    You also have a chance to return to Ireland, Germany, Italy etc. and leave the land of opportunities to recovering indian tribes. But for some reason this chance will be never used by those who wish to drive away other people from their houses where they lived before the declaration of independence... Can you imagine what russians think about such wishes? :)

    There is no such country for the moment. The Ukraine is dead. Only Bandera state is left and a territory for civil war between fascists and anti-facsists.
    It is hard to betray someone you haven't promised your servitude. And kievan facsistic coup has never received any signs of loyalty from russian people.

    English is a nice language. But those who wish to stay in the world of their dreams can misinterprete even english. Don't you see the difference between citizenship and nationhood? OK. Can an american celebrate Shabbath? Can a Jew do that? Can a jew be an american?
     
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    Technically, and organ is a system ot tissues organized to perform a task. Clearly kidneys are comprised of different tissues to comprise one organ.
    Arms are comprised of bone tissue, skin tissue, blood tissue, arterial and venous tissues, nervous tissue, and muscle tissue, so of course it's a limb, not an organ per se.

    Duh, the Mayor caught a fumble and still managed to score a touchdown.

    Damn, He's good!
     
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    Georgians have a very unpopular president backed by America. Who would want to buy their oranges, if not Russia? They are not needed in Florida. Ukrainians will find their way out. They can choose between NATO and Russia and they will make their choice without permission of John Kerry.
     
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    Cite the quote from the Mayor claiming Russia's theft of Ossetyia was based on desires for pure monetary gain.

    You really shouldn't come back until you find it. You're sure it happened, so you should be able to find it, right?

    Then, when you admit defeat, research the term "lebensraum".

    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    And you know it's bull(*)(*)(*)(*), too.

    You haven't expressed any knowledge of history and geography, so it's a natural assumption that you learned under a Soviet-friendly school system, wasn't it?

    Explain why Comrade Stalin took the Eastern half of Poland again, if Russia doesn't have a history of theft.

    Explain why Comrade Stalin took all the grain, all the livestock, and all the industrial capacity from Ukraine if Russia doesn't have a history of theft.

    Explain the actual history of any socialist nation without using the words "theft", "steal", "rob", as well as the words "murder, death, kill".

    Let's see.

    The Vietnam war was in part because of Russia's desire for a naval base in Cam Ranh Bay.

    Mikey Gorbachev got his Nobel Peace Prize for providing C4 Toys for Afghani tots.

    Serbia was part of the Soviet Slave State System and fell into chaos when the Americans wrecked the last Russian empire...without firing a shot...

    Iraq has been a cold war batteground that finally found the means to become a true democratic republic with the assistance of the US under GW Bush, only to have the already secured victory thrown away by Bush's treasonous and incompetent America-hating successor.

    Libya was another friend of the Soviets, engaging in acts of terrorism on innocent people as part of the Russian's covert plan to destabilize the West via the slaughter of innocents.

    Syria is a Russian puppet state doing what Russian puppet states do best...murdering their own citizens.

    What other Queen songs do you like?

    Since the Crimean Peninsula was part of the geographic republic of Ukraine, it's alleged autonomy did not extend to sovereignity.

    You should learn what english words mean if you're going to post on an English based forum.

    Still?

    You should sing The Mayor's Too Sexy For His Body, instead. The music's not as creative, but the lyrics are funnier.

    Yawn.

    Before Operation Babarossa, Stalin was busily having fun digesting the part of Europe his agreement with Hitler allowed. That the son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) was so incompetent he could be double-crossed by a transparent fool like Hitler. Stalin (and Russia) was caught completely flat-footed by Operation Bararossa, and just because all those Russians died as a result of Stalin's incompetence in "The Great Patriotic War" doesn't mean Stalin (and hence Russia) wasn't one of the world's biggest and greediest thieves.

    You want to pretend the Mayor believes in the innocence of nations, when all he really believes in is The Innocence Of Muslims.

    Really.

    No, it's about penguins.

     
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    and his name is?

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    not sure about this, but you got some writings skills , for sure
     
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    The only resurgency I see of the Soviet Union is the U.S. with our materialism, atheism and the secular values we espouse, not to mention the imposition of those values on the rest of the world for our so called new world order. It seems whatever the Soviet Union was, we have now become.

    And tell me how many Albanians were killed in Kosovo in this falsified genocide and ethnic cleansing? Was it more than Kissinger's Turkish genocide and ethnic cleansing of one third of Cyprus? No better yet, tell me why it was the Serb population and not the Albanian population that dropped down drastically in Kosovo between 1980 and 1990?

    Also you can tell me why the Albanian fighters who we supported, were found selling body parts of captured Serbs (According to Carla Del Ponti of the U.N.) and who destroyed two hundred fifty ancient monasteries and churches, should be allowed by the Court at the Hague to declare independence, and the Crimea people who have committed no atrocities and crimes, should be forced to live under an illegitimate 'nationalist' regime from the culturally alien part of Ukraine in which they have nothing in common with?
     
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    There you go. have you forgotten to take your memory pills? Or you don't read what you are writing?

    Or maybe the verb 'to own' has a deep non-economical meaning?

    My dear old mayor... Don't try to attack me with your ignorance and images that you have just seen in your local propaganda. It is like going to fight with homosexuals with a bear rear part of your body. I will not be scared and it will be a bit painful and not pleasant for you. Like it has been already is and will always be.

    Not at all. My ancestors are russians. And half the family of one of my granpas died because of hunger. In Russia. And noone has eaten the grain of ukrainians except for some europeans maybe. And I am not going to blame them for that, because only political power of western thugs who planned this really knew how much would be the problem.

    It's your personal opinion. That's what you would like to be true. But it isn't.

    Hm. And where did Poland take this territory from? Eh? A victim of degraded propaganda system? And Poland took this territory from soviet russia. The thing is that in 1922 polish pigeons invaded the Ukraine and as long as the country had a civil war they even went to Kiev. Western countries were worrying about thestrengthening of Poland and they offered a peace treaty, which was not accepted by Poland which hoped for more. After the soviet army approached the brave polish soldiers... fled back to Poland. Western countries again proposed a peace, but communists hoping for the world revolution told that they don't accept a peace with imperialists. Then there was a miracle on Visla when polish troops hit into the flank of one of Stalin's victim, Tukhachevsky... Doo you know what was the proposal of western countries as a border? It was the so called Kerzon line... almost exactly the border that emerged between Germany and Russia after USSR occupied the area that you know from your propaganda as 'eastern Poland'. :)
    Now cry, baby. And try to use some more arguements. It will be difficult to do because everything at the surface has exhausted and to provide an arguement you need to read or use your knowledge. And I don't suspect any of these 2 merits to be with you... If you want to make a colonel you should obtain the first. Then the second will come with time.

    It's easy. He didn't. All the mistakes were done by local ukrainian administration that tried to win the first place in Stalin's eyes.

    Social illusions, attempts of fair state constuctions, success, lack of motivation, fast decline of ruling class, disaster, attacks from capitalists. loss.

    So you invaded Vietnam in order to prevent Russia of having a naval base that it has even nowadays?

    Can you remind me the name of a peaceful engineer aand businessman that lead good afghani people against bad soviets? A true ally of Pentagon. I remember that it starts with Osama... Don't you remember the rest of the name?

    Btw thanks for admitting that it was a wreck. Because soviet people were told that it was their fight for all the good against all the evil and americans wich only good things to russians... If you have onlyknown how difficult it is for me to explain in Russia that americans don't have tails, horns and don't drink blood of virgins... And all of that happens just because of some idiots. who will pee in their pants when they have to face responsivbility for their shallow talks.
    But anyway you invaded Serbia because it was bad. Fine.

    Is this wonderful place as democratic Iraque safe for americans now?

    And now after the invasion it is probably flourishing, right? And it is safe now for american embassadors as well, right?

    And why does Al Kayeda fight against Assad? It is in alliance with the US or what?

    It's not a song. It is a prose...

    Of course not. It didn't.

    A liar is a person who tells lies and ignores the truth, isn't it so?

    Our losses at the battlefield were almost one to one. Most losses came because of an attitude towards russian civilians as to...as yours. Nazists were trying to remake russians by expoiting them, spreading propaganda and killing those who didn't believe it, raping and killing.
    Stalin was so incompetent that the army under his command liberated half of Europe and took Berlin. The germans were very good warriors and their success in the first strike was fully deserved. But being a nazist turns a good warrior in a russian hater and in fact in a human hater, as those americans who believe current propaganda have turned.


    Muslims are not bad people at all. Only those who hate people are bad. Whether they are muslims or not it doesn't matter.

    A mayor needs some penny propaganda that being american means voting for Obama which is bad and all the good mayors are Irish people (better than obama-voters). If this propaganda is repeated several times then the mayor will take his gun, put on his leather jacket with hand made solar symbol of rotating cross and be gone to better the nature of his people as any facsist will do. It is just that noone would invest a penny into this project. That is your difference from an enemy of your own people, Mayor. :)

    This is exactly what I mean! Americansare americans. They are native to american land for the moment andtheir interests weigh much more than linguistic desires or minorities that have their own vew of justness. I don't want americans to think themselves as Irish or italians. It's their right to self identify. And russians have absolutely the same rights no matter of swhat Mayor or obama think about it.

    Then you need to turn into Huron or Komanchi or get the f//k out of the land which you have no rights for. Then the mayor should forget his bloody english and learn the wonderful language that noone in the world can understand. And if Mayor doesn't want it then he needs to be tortured to death and thrown into ocean to swim to Ireland island himself anyway. And while swimming he should understand that russians in Ukraine are exactly in this situation and they are no weaker than our knowledgeable consumer of pseudo-historian propaganda.

    Isupport my brothers who wish to live at the land of their fathers and raise children under the traditions of my nation. They are not traitors. I would rather consider a traitor a guy who bowed before maidan coup leaders forgetting his language and history of his family.

    For the moment a ukraine is not a proper name. The Ukraine that existed a year ago is already gone. A coup has changed it. There is no longer an independent state. Its official ideology is whether to become a part of EU or to become a part of Russia. There is no Ukraine. There is noone to betray. There is no power or law or democracy. it is just a territory with the people who are selling themselves to a highest bidder. Ukraine was lost in Maidan.

    :) As you say mayor. Slavery was cancelled in the US quite recently in historical terms and it never existed in Russia. So I wouldn't object this statement od yours. Although I have to admit that it has no proofs. :)

    Free crimeans promised none.

    Russians owe nothing to the facsistic Ukraine that raised on the shoulders of west. They tell themselves that their state is completely new. They cancel laws and fight with a police. So only traitors will work for this government. Honesty doesn't mean a betrayal of your family and nation just because someone in the department of state decided to use some ukrainian blood in his or hers games for entertainment.


    There are crimean tatars in Crimea. at the moment they make up to 12% of total population. Coup leaders told their plans about this minotity. The leader of facsistic rught Sector told that he would send these tatars to Russian Caucases for them to be able to fight for their own state there. And a dictator Putin told that crimean tatars will get their language as one of the official languages in Crimea, they will get the status of citizen and get help to establish in Crimea more then they received within 20 years in Ukraine... It is funny because your ally also called Putin a facsist... :)))

    No gerund, sir. I haave proved that. :)

    Nope. You see a patriot can be a facsist. But he can also choose between staying a patriot and becoming a facsist. You refused of your irish roots to become pure american. Fine. But those Irish people who still recognise themselves as Irish people but citizens of US don't have less rights, do they?

    It's a national tradition for Jews. For american jews as well. They don't have to refuse of being jews to become american citizen. it's their choice which they are given in any democratic state. Russians are not worse then jews even if mayor thinks otherwise. :)

    The Mayor supposes Jews can was old cheap clothing if they wish, there's no law against it here in the US.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Mayor Snorkum, how about a history lesson here. You might not be aware of it, but there is something in Europe called the East/West divide which has always separated Western and Catholic Europe from Orthodox Europe. The people in Orthodox Europe have always looked towards Russia for protection from the Ottoman Empire, as well as from the expansionism of Western Europe which started with the Fourth Crusade and culminated with Adolph Hitler...That is except for now with the latest takeover of Orthodox Ukraine by the Western supporters of Catholic Ukraine. (Do you see a pattern here)?

    So when you look at the animosity towards Russia by the Catholics of Western Ukraine, as well as the Catholic Poles, Catholic Lithuanians, Catholic Czechs, you have to realize it's not because of the Soviet Union, but rather it's because of the historical animosities and the cultural differences between the people on one side of the divide and the people on the other side of the divide.

    Also the connection between Russia and Syria isn't because Russia had something to gain, after all Russia didn't colonize the Middle East. But rather it was because of the affinity of the Syrian Orthodox towards the Russians and the protection the Russians gave them. This was the closeness that made Syria strategically important to Russia.
     
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    Holomodor denial is like Holocaust denial.

    Stalin was far worse than Hitler.
     
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    What's wrong with Materialism? The Mayor seems to be made of material, so are his huskies.

    What's wrong with atheism? The Mayor seems to be a much better athiest than any of those damn Red Kool-Aid Addicted fools that are currently defending Russia's imperialism. Funny, that, how the same fools that are always objecting to imaginary US imperialism come out fully in support of Russian real imperialism. And pathetic.

    Ukraine has a right to reject the invasion of ANY PART of it's sovereign territory by Mother Russia, especially since Mother Russia is actually the Evil Step-Mother of Cinderella fame.

    If the folk living in the Crimean portion of Ukraine have complaints, there are international forums available to air them. The New York Slimes has always been a big cheerleader for the Evil Step-Mother, they'd be glad to print those stories....of which none of any significance have shown up.

    Why should Crimea be "forced" to remain part of Ukraine for the present?

    Because Russia invaded Ukraine, to wit, the Crimean Peninsula, and all votes for separation are now suspect, and hence, void.

    Also, the Mayor does not recall EVER supporting ANYTHING the UN has EVER done. At any time. So the decisions of that corrupt body have no bearing on anything the Mayor says, ever.

    The FACT of the matter is that Mother Russia has no authority to invade a sovereign nation.

    It appears you never studied the German absorption of Czechoslovakia.
     
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    Wow! That divide, it goes right across the narrow ten kilometer wide strip connecting that dangly part of Ukraine to the rest of it?

    That's AMAZING.

    Explain how that gives Mother Russia the authority to invade a sovereign nation.

    Oh, that's right. It doesn't.
     
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    The same authority that USA invade Panama (1989) with the difference that Panama never belonged to USA and Ukraine was part of Russia for ages...
    with the difference that in Panama ruled a CIA agent (Noriega) and Kiev had a legitimate government, elected in free election like it was said by observers from the EU ... and was thrown from power by a fascist coup... funded by...?

    Krym has just come back to Rodina...and now the East Ukrainia that was given by Lenin in 1921-1924...
     
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    Look, your posts are getting ridiculously inaccurate. As I said before, Romania as an Orthodox nation in Eastern Europe has NOT ever looked towards Russia for protection. Quite the opposite, part of its territory was annexed by Russia and all efforts were made by Romania to get it back. So stop saying that already or at least give some historical sources.

    Starting with Peter the Great, Russia became an Empire and since then it did what any other Empire in the world does, it started to conquer other people. He started with what is now Estonia and Latvia. Then Catherine the Great conquered parts of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. After the Russo-Turkish war in 1812 she also got Crimea (which was inhabited by tatars by the way and moved in Russians instead). Also she took what is now Republic of Moldova, then part of Moldavia (a Romanian state at the time) and then the Romanian language was banned - something which the Ottoman Empire never did by the way.
    It's true that they fought the Ottoman Empire in 1877 and as a consequence Romania and Bulgaria became independent but that is circumstantial as in it was in the benefit of the Russian Empire to have a weak Ottoman Empire. All this time the Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukrainians and Finnish were still under Russian rule, which most people would consider unnatural and immoral.
    Then came the period in which Soviet rule left its gruesome mark in Eastern Europe which I hardly need to point out.

    From all of this at least I can see that the Russian Empire - Soviet State - current Russia always wanted more influence (as in land, power and money) in Eastern Europe just as much as the Ottoman and Habsburg Empires wanted it.
    Its the same thing now as it's always been. The EU and Russia are fighting each other over influence in the region.

    The East/West divide as you call it is nothing more than two-three power structures which competed over land and resources without any regard for human life or how that affects people of other nations. Yes, that definitely includes Russia.
     
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    lies , western U has Orthodox majority , much like 90 % of the "nazi" government

    you have never been in eastern Europe, what do you know about cultural differences? i places where O and C live side by side you´d never say who is who
     
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    +1!!!!
     
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    What Jeannet said is Truth. Ortodoxian looked for Russian protection... in XIX century: Romania (we can see in what side fought in 1877 or in 1916 (Brussilov Offensive), Bulgaria, Servia, Cernomore, whilst East catholic countries in East were Habsburg: Hungary, Slovakia, Morava, Cechy, Croatia, Slovenia etc etc.

    The same authority to invade who was given to USA in Panama 1989 or TURKEY, CYPRUS... 1974 - to NOWADAYS... Really!

    or is only legal when the invasor is the U.S. or one of its allies...
     
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    its a vatnik construction , O. fight O many times in history , much like M fight M, C fight C, etc.

    Prague is the RuSSian city
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    In my times It was Karlovy Vary...:smile:
     
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    Let me provide a background to the 1877 Russo-Turkish war in which indeed Romania and Bulgaria fought alongside Russia :
    Russia and the Turks had a number of wars starting with the 1500s. From 1500s to 1600s the Ottoman Empire was on the rise and expanding and was winning the wars so much that at some point the demarcation between the Ottoman Empire and Russia was the Dnieper river. From the 1700s to 1800s the Ottoman Empire started to enter into a decline. This persuaded the Russian Empire to take advantage of this and started another round of wars. After a few wars Russia got Southern Ukraine, Crimea and Northern Caucasus into its sphere of influence.

    War of 1812 - at the time Romania was a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire. The Russian Empire won the war and they demanded that the territory of Romania become part of Russia. The Western European Powers didn't want that though since they thought it would make Russia too strong. It was agreed that Russia would only take the Eastern half of Moldavia (what is now Republic of Moldova). They immediately banned the Romanian language and started a big campaign of settling russians into that area.

    War of 1877 - Russia would start another campaign against the Ottomans. The opportunity for Romania was there so we made a deal with Russia to let their army cross through our country and aid them militarily in exchange for Russia recognising our territorial integrity. The war was won by Russia but they didn't keep their promise and annexed another part of Romania - the southern part of Moldavia - this with the intervention of the western powers again who were worried that Russia would get too strong.

    So that's the context. It was a Russo-Turkish war which would decide who got the most land and resources in the area. Romania was caught in between them. If Russia could, it would have conquered Romania as well but luckily for us the Western Powers thought that it would have made Russia too strong and it would endanger their own dominions. This is actually pretty close to what's happening in Ukraine now, the country is torn by 2 oppsing powers, the EU and Russia.Talk about deja-vu.


    1914 - Romania wanted to get Transilvania back so it sided with the alliance which did not contain Austro-Hungary in it.

    The same authority which was given to USA in Panama = no authority, you're exactly right. That's the same kind of authority Russia has now invading Ukraine.
     
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    The US had ZERO authority to invade Panama.

    Period.

    What was your point again? That because Mother Russia is really big and really really greedy, it's allowed to steal whatever bits off Ukraine it wants to, just like it did before?
     

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